why do black metallers hate modern Black metal?

[Skepticism]

In any case, even if they did or didin't sell out, their first two albums are their only good ones.

 

[Vitor]

:Smug:
What does that have to do with anything?

Plenty of bands have featured naked women on their album covers

show me one that isn't modern black metal

, and it's obvious Dimmu Borgir moved towards a more symphonic sound because that's the direction they elected to take. I know Dimmu Borgir indeed wants to sell many records, and be 'famous' if you want but how does having more orchestral compositions lead to being as famous as Marilyn Manson?

they wanna be more accessible, and orchestral compositions make then more pop than metal, cuz it changes the raw black metal to a beauty song.

Both bands function independently from each other and both bands have said repeatedly that they don't pay attention to the other, this when there were falsely rumoured accusations of some kind of dislike for each other.

i guess demmo burguer has envy cuz CoF is very pop with a extreme metal

They are both very different bands that do their own thing.

very different??? no! they are in the same style.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

they wanna be more accessible, and orchestral compositions make then more pop than metal, cuz it changes the raw black metal to a beauty song.

are you fucking serious with this?

orchestral compositions make something more pop than metal?

 

[Vitor]

are you fucking serious with this?

orchestral compositions make something more pop than metal?

no??? what was the metallica's plan when they recorded S&M? back to the old thrash or sell to different people?

 

[Thoth-Amon]

In any case, even if they did or didin't sell out, their first two albums are their only good ones.

I enjoy all of their releases.

 

[Zephyrus]

The Dimmu following CoF argument holds some weight.

After Stormblast or EDT, Dimmu magically were wearing more goth looking clothes and image like a top hat, etc. Also, CoF's "Jesus is a Cunt" shirt was very popular and won them enormous attention. What did Dimmu do? They had a "Cunt Hunters of the Night" shirt. A little too obvious.

For the record, I really don't like either band, but c'mon people. I think you give Dimmu too much credit.

If you remove the top-hat (which was worn by the keyboardist who LEFT THE BAND shortly after they "sold out"), Dimmu looks like an other black metal band who wants to look "evil" (Carpathian Forest for example).

They RE-RECORDED and RE-RELEASED an ENTIRE ALBUM for the sole reason of GETTING MORE MONEY. That they made it crappy is really just a side remark here, what they did is the fucking definition of whoring themselves out worse than a bangkok prostitute.

I agree with this almost totally, but that doesn't mean I can't like the album just for the motive of its conception. I'm happy they re-recorded it. It sounds much better with the powerful guitars and an atmosphere that only Peter Tagtgren could successfully convey with a modern production.

 

[Vitor]

I enjoy all of their releases.

i enjoy from Enthrone Darkness Thriumphant to Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia

 

[Thoth-Amon]

i enjoy from Enthrone Darkness Thriumphant to Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia

I used to really dislike FAT and DCA but those have grown on me. Stormblast took a while to get into also but I love it now.

 

[Vossyrus]

childrengrinder, the 'similarities' between Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir...first of all, there is very little in common between these two bands, very little. The only reason you hear people compare them and say that frequently is because they are very popular among extreme metal acts, and especially of so-called black metal bands - for that reason their similarities have been completely glorified. They have little in common musically outside of implementing keyboards for atmosphere and experimenting with orchestra. Stylistically, what else?

Secondly I still don't see how Orchestra makes an album pop...because of Metallica ten years earlier? So if a black metal band wants to become a mainstream success they just need to put a naked woman on their cover, and use an orchestra? :Smug:

..as for image-wise. Dimmu's keyboardist Stian if I remember correctly didn't even listen to black metal, so that would explain his non-black metal image.

 

[J.]

If you remove the top-hat (which was worn by the keyboardist who LEFT THE BAND shortly after they "sold out"), Dimmu looks like an other black metal band who wants to look "evil" (Carpathian Forest for example).

And the shirt? Surely not for sheer shock value and attention grabbing. Dimmu wouldn't do that.

 

[~Derek~]

Perhaps my claim for its inaccessibility lies in the fact that I heard ITNE before hearing Anthems. After ITNE I was finally adjusted to the classic BM sound, so when I popped in Anthems I was expecting something quite similar sound-wise. I was in for a surprise. I was so caught off by the radically different sound and atmosphere of chaos that seemed to permeate the album.

And I wouldn't call the album's sound "polished", as it is far from that. If it were so I would be able to pick out more instruments and melodies in earlier listens (particularly the drums, which I couldn't start hearing until the 4th or 5th listen).

And I wouldn't call the album "key-board" driven either. Ihsahn's guitar melodies play just as much a role as do the backing keyboards and effects.

So as I said before, perhaps Anthems' apparent accessibility comes from the fact that I expected a traditional BM sound and was caught off guard.

I did too, I expected the same type of vocals to be usd, but the Nightside type vocals are used only on a couple tracks, I still like INTE better though. Something drags me in, the keyboard dominated atmosphere that I love and the vocals too, and the haunting riffs, this is why it's my avatar, it's a CD I can pull out whenever and enjoy it, it's something I'll listen to several times every year.

 

[Zephyrus]

Same here, man, for both albums. That's one reason Emperor is one of my all-time favorite bands.

 

[Matt]

I used to like Emperor a lot more. I've drifted away from them some

 

[Matt]

dummy burger is a shit band, regardless of "selling out" or becoming more popular (none of that matters to me).

I'm surprised that you don't like some of their epic compositions, being a power metal fan and all.

 

[Hubster]

I HATE power metal. It's the gayest form of music there is. Totally Mardi Gras.

 

[Vossyrus]

Power metal just isn't my thing either...to be exact, its teh uber gayness!!!!111196

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

I HATE power metal. It's the gayest form of music there is. Totally Mardi Gras.

You goddamn vagina.

Powermetal is good, as long as it's manowar, not dragonforce.

 

[Vitor]

childrengrinder, the 'similarities' between Cradle of Filth and Dimmu Borgir...first of all, there is very little in common between these two bands, very little. The only reason you hear people compare them and say that frequently is because they are very popular among extreme metal acts, and especially of so-called black metal bands - for that reason their similarities have been completely glorified.

They have little in common musically outside of implementing keyboards for atmosphere and experimenting with orchestra.

i know it, but the themes are the sames... hot pics in the cd's arts, similar corpse-paint, gothic clothes and others little things that make Demmo Burger wanna look like CoF.

Stylistically, what else?

Secondly I still don't see how Orchestra makes an album pop...because of Metallica ten years earlier? So if a black metal band wants to become a mainstream success they just need to put a naked woman on their cover, and use an orchestra? :Smug:

no, it isn't enough, but these elements are very appellatives that get attention of anyone, headbanger or not... have you never heard anyone that dislikes black metal but likes dimmu borgir or cradle of filth? so, these elements are the reason, believe.

..as for image-wise. Dimmu's keyboardist Stian if I remember correctly didn't even listen to black metal, so that would explain his non-black metal image.

i guess they don't choose their images, cuz it's out of their control... managers and producers do it for then.

 

[Hatebreeder]

I used to like Emperor a lot more. I've drifted away from them some

I've never really changed my position on Emperor (loved 'em since those opening sounds on ITNE), but I rarely listen to them because of the thick atmosphere present in all of their albums. For me, listening to an Emperor album is an event.

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

I agree. Black metal albums are "Events"} for me. Unlike putting on my leather jacket at two in the morning and singing along to Judas Priest.

I do that all the time.