why do black metallers hate modern Black metal?

[Vitor]

I agree. Black metal albums are "Events"} for me. Unlike putting on my leather jacket at two in the morning and singing along to Judas Priest.

I do that all the time.

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

:Smug:

 

[Vitor]

:Smug:

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

 

[Vitor]

:Smug:

haha, i got ya

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

:Smug:

haha, i got ya

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Wow. This thread is pretty retarded right now. I think I'll come back later...

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

Wow. This thread is pretty retarded right now. I think I'll come back later...

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

You know what? Melechesh is an awesome "newer" black metal band. And thier new stuff is really good.

We need more metal coming out the middle east. Those goddamned laws keep ruining it.

 

[Vitor]

Wow. This thread is pretty retarded right now. I think I'll come back later...

do you swear?

 

[Vossyrus]

Themes aren't the same. Dimmu Borgir typically writes about armageddon, anti-christian/'satanism' and lyrics more common of black metal etc where Cradle has always embraced more gothic themes such as vampires, romance, fairytales, Elizabeth Bathory, poetry and such. Why does naked women in album artwork indicate a copy, it is very very common among males is it not? The way in which the women are portrayed is also very different, Cradle does it in a way that's more dramatic and would compliment beauty as opposed to just senseless nudity.

Musically they are different as well. Dimmu Borgir comes from a black metal background and guitar work is very different to Cradle's Iron Maiden influenced guitar harmonies albeit neither band is guitar-driven. Cradle's 'atmosphere' is also different, it works to produce a more gothic mood which I've never really found in Dimmu's music at all. Even though Barker was in both bands, the drum style is different from both bands with Dimmu being centered towards more skilled drummers in Barker, Hellhammer, Killerich, Laureano where Cradle isn't particularily concered about that.

You're simply drawing similarites from very general things. I feel that these comparisons are really only derived from both bands highly successful and appealing to a certain audience. Dimmu Borgir is not even a gothic band, even if they appeal to a so-called goth crowd. The comparisons are bogus unless you are relatively new to either band, but if you've been into both bands for years like I have you'll be able to see the frequent 'similarities' aren't as valid as people would like to think they are.

The reason why someone would enjoy CoF and DB while not being able to stand black metal is not because they have some symphonic or melodic components but because they are more accessible than black metal bands. They are also at the forefront of extreme metal as opposed to more obscure and underground acts, along with bands like Opeth, Children of Bodom, Arch Enemy - those bands are accessible and therefore more popular to a general audience. Black metal's raw underproduced production qualities, and harsher vocals is enough to turn away the casual metal fan.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

By the way - childrengrinder, why do you put your entire post in a giant quote block when you're responding to other people's posts part-by-part? It's a lot easier for you, and the next person who wants to quote you, if you do it the normal way.

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

1) Theres no such thing as "senseless" nudity.
2) Theres no such thing as a "casual" metal fan. Your either in or your out.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

1) Theres no such thing as "senseless" nudity.

Uh, well in the sense of nudity being used immaturely, without any artistic intention - yeah, there is such a thing as senseless nudity.

2) Theres no such thing as a "casual" metal fan. Your either in or your out.

Kinda reminds me of Ken Kesey - "you're either on the bus... or you're off the bus".

Of course there are casual metal listeners. Someone can find a genre mildly enjoyable while not listening to it regularly. I like trance music, for example, but it's not something I'm crazy about.

 

[Vossyrus]

1) Theres no such thing as "senseless" nudity.
2) Theres no such thing as a "casual" metal fan. Your either in or your out.

1) Yes there is. Senseless nudity is just nudity and there is nothing artistic about it...nudity can be done in an artistic sense and then ther are times where it serves no real purpose other than to showcase nudity. It's in the movies all the time, in slasher flicks, you know the typical scene.

2) There are plenty of casual metal fans I've met, there is probably more casual fans than diehard metal fans. A casual fan is someone who doesn't necessarily have any specific tastes in metal but will generally listen to more popular bands and whatever they come accross. I know plenty of people like that.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Beat you.

 

[Vossyrus]

Beat you.

not fair, you type faster than me!

 

[Cythraul]

there is probably more casual fans than diehard metal fans.

bullshit

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

Then there not metal fans. Thier listeners.

True fansare true fans and posers are posers.

Wormswill.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

not fair, you type faster than me!

Or at least more concisely.

I actually spent a lot of time rethinking that Ken Kesey comment. I was like, "who the hell's going to understand this reference?"