people are ignorant for preferring a high level of musicianship???
read what I said - clever and intelligent songwriting
1 minute songs without any melody whatsoever can never ever = clever and intelligent songwriting
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people are ignorant for preferring a high level of musicianship???
read what I said - clever and intelligent songwriting
1 minute songs without any melody whatsoever can never ever = clever and intelligent songwriting
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people are ignorant for preferring a high level of musicianship???
read what I said - clever and intelligent songwriting
1 minute songs without any melody whatsoever can never ever = clever and intelligent songwriting
no...people should accept music regardless of the level of musicianship. thats why I can listen to something like Fear Of God one minute and then something like King Crimson or Hawkwind the next.
and thats just your opinion. why don't you read the lyrics of a Discordance Axis song? have you ever listened to the types of chords and changes that they use? just cause something's abrasive and abrupt doesn't mean its unintelligent.
no, stop telling people what they should and should not do
it's not ignorance, it's preference
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I'm not. it doesn't hurt to open one's mind up y'know. god forbid anyone does that!
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Yes.
Also, bands with a lack of feeling tend to drive me away. No matter what the genre, if there's no emotion, then I likely won't like it. This even applies to grindcore.
I think you are misunderstanding the point that some people were trying to make, as well
simple does not = bad musicianship (hell I enjoy lots of 80s metal + thrash that are fairly straightforward) and musical skill is certainly not entirely determined by technical complexity
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simple does not = bad musicianship (hell I enjoy lots of 80s metal + thrash that are fairly straightforward) and musical skill is certainly not entirely determined by technical complexity
@ grinder
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true, but you're just as bad as an MOR pop fan when you dismiss grindcore as "pointless noise". grindcore can be art, too.
that's not the case at all, I enjoy some of old carcass, as well as nasum and pig destroyer etc...
but for the most part grindcore offers very little of what I seek in metal (and music in general), so I stay away from it
but for the most part grindcore offers very little of what I seek in metal (and music in general), so I stay away from it
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and thats fine I guess, even though IMO I believe you're missing out on a lot.
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I think some of the options are a bit vague. "Lack of skill" could mean many things. Lack of skill as in lack of technical proficiency with instruments or lack of skilled songwriting? The former isn't really that important to me. There are plenty of bands where you can tell the members aren't the best players ever but they can still write captivating songs and perform them with conviction which I very much prefer over listening to some Berklee wankers who clearly know their instruments inside and out but couldn't write a decent song to save their lives.
Sounding like a copy of another band isn't necessarily bad either, as long as it's done well and it's a style of music that isn't completely saturated yet (so not like the melo-death scene). A recent example of a band that is clearly a clone is Daylight Dies who take more than a few hints from old Katatonia. But they do it pretty well and I still haven't found too many other bands that are playing that style of music the way I like it. So I'm fine with it then, even if they aren't exactly the most original band ever.
Sounding like a copy of another band isn't necessarily bad either, as long as it's done well and it's a style of music that isn't completely saturated yet (so not like the melo-death scene). A recent example of a band that is clearly a clone is Daylight Dies who take more than a few hints from old Katatonia. But they do it pretty well and I still haven't found too many other bands that are playing that style of music the way I like it. So I'm fine with it then, even if they aren't exactly the most original band ever.
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Didn't we have this conversation a week or so ago? I think he holds the same view as me in that it can be good but offers little variety musically.
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Hatebreeder
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Don't worry, you'll find a woman out there somewhere who loves grindcore as much as you do and you can both live happily ever after fucking each other to Napalm Death songs.
songwriting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any thing else in terms of why I like or dislike a band
technical proficiency, vocals, production, etc... are all just icing on the cake
Hatebreeder
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Agreed. That very reason is why I adore Blind Guardian but despise Savage Circus despite the two of them bearing distinct similarities.
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"Lack of skill" is indeed pretty vague. I think I had both songwriting and technical skill in mind, only I was hesitant to mention songwriting skill since it's obviously a bigger drawback to a band than technical deficiency is (though sometimes these go hand-in-hand). I made the poll with the intent of keeping the options roughly equivalent in "shittiness" so that there wouldn't be a clear, hands-down winner. What can I say?
"Lack of skill" is indeed pretty vague. I think I had both songwriting and technical skill in mind, only I was hesitant to mention songwriting skill since it's obviously a bigger drawback to a band than technical deficiency is (though sometimes these go hand-in-hand). I made the poll with the intent of keeping the options roughly equivalent in "shittiness" so that there wouldn't be a clear, hands-down winner. What can I say?
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