I'm not talking about Darkthrone or Burzum (War is the most boring song I've ever covered live but whatever, the actual song is not absolute crap), but the underground unknow local bands which try to sound like them and sound like fucking shit, like a dog being beaten up.
"Sounds like fucking shit" is pretty subjective tbh. I think a lot of NWOBHM/speed metal blows chunks (and fun fact: Butt actually finds the majority of thrash boring), but naturally, I'm sure a lot of people, probably you included, would disagree.
Ultra produced (Dragonforce) does suck major cock most of the times, but not ultra precise (Wintersun, Necropagist, Vader, Sinergy, ...). That does make the music even more enjoyable, or do you think Alexi fucking up a solo or Muhammed going out of the harmonic lines of the song or Vader going out of timing would sound good?
Those bands are good
despite the ultra-precise playing, not
because of it. And tbh, I consider them to be rare exceptions. I like Brutal Hate's comparison; Trivium and BFMV have really precise playing... does that make them good, or more enjoyable? No.
Good music is good music, regardless of the precision of the playing, or the production.
In the same vein, bad music is bad music, regardless of the precision/production.
I call that lame excuses for what can't be excused. I can accept that he wants to do things a certain way because he likes it even if he can do better (I don't understand it but I can accept it), but justifying shitty playing by saying that it adds rebellion to music is like saying that you're going to do the maths for the ultimate economy formula wrong because you're a rebel, not because you can't.
Incredibly flawed argument. When it comes to math, there are rigid sets of rules that must be followed. There is no room for leeway. When it comes to music, a form of art, there are no "rules". It just needs to represent the artists vision, and provoke thought.
Or like if I say that my Paco de Lucia cover is not shit, but that I'm a rebel and I'm doing it wrong on purpose.
About giving the music soul, freshness and originality, that's what is called a live album imho.
"Imho" being the key words here. I like live albums, but I also really like studio albums that sound "live", and sound like they were done in one or two takes. Makes the music sound more honest.
Raw for me is Vader or Slayer or Municipal Waste. Simple lineup, simple production, not many effects besides distortion and in your face kind of music. Not music recorded with the same quality as if you recorded a rehearshal with your MP3 player.
Then our definitions of raw here differ my friend. I don't consider those bands particularly raw at all. In-your-face, yeah, but they're not particularly raw at all IMO.
I don't want a BM album to sound like Dream Theater, but I want it to have audible quality. Emperor, Burzum, Immortal, ... actually have that (not the clearest sound and by far not my favourite tone but something audible, not harmful to human ear), but a shitload of non-famous so called underground bands sound to me like if they're just trying to set their amps to get the worst tone possible and make the biggest mess possible.
I have a couple problems with this:
A) This brings me to what I said above. Good music is good music, regardless of the production.
B) Different people have different margins of tolerance for harsher, more abrasive sounds. Naturally, there will be people with higher tolerance, and there will be people with a smaller margin of tolerance. The problem is not with the music itself, but rather the fact that you fall into the latter category. I know this is gonna make me sound like a massive elitist, but simply put, you are not the target audience that this music is aimed at.
Plus, the thing that bothers me more about BM: what the fuck is up with the tr00 attitude ''let's burn churches down and chase people down the street and kill goats''. What the hell have fucking goats or pigs or whatever done to BM? What has the normal citizen who looks astounded by someone painted in corpse paint walking down the street? I just don't get it, same as with the stupid karate shit on hardcore gigs.
I don't agree with the anti-christian ideologies, or even the actions, of most BM bands (being somewhat religious myself)... but whatever they believe is their business. It doesn't affect the quality of the music, so it's really not relevant.
If you want something in particular, I'd never let bands like Gorgoroth play again or do anything. It's ok to do your music and write about whatever the fuck you want, but not beat someone up for the sake of it.
Bands like Emperor, Dimmu or Immortal can stay though. I won't like them, but they just do their thing.
See above.
Mystique said:
@The Butt: I understand how art is supposed to be provoking, but when someone shits on a plate and it gets put in a museum such as the Modern Museum of Art in New York City, I think that's just going too far. It's undermining the whole concept of art. That particular museum is filled with stuff like that and I was so disappointed when I was looking at the exhibitions, to see that this is what art has become. the majority of works there lack any artistic value whatsoever; it's as if someone can just take a paint brush and splatter random dots on the canvas, and voila, it's art. all this "abstract" art isn't abstract at all. It's either drug-influenced or just sloppy shit that has failed to be what the artist's first intention was. So they resort to making this type of "art" instead. sad.
I find it pretty biased that one would compare raw BM to "shitting on a plate".
I would think that being able to accurately convey your artistic expression through your instrument would be valued over being unprecise in your playing. But I guess you're probably the type or person to adore Picasso's absurd artwork, seeing how that is quite unprecise, or is it? Perhaps it is precise in that it is not precise
