Hatred in Metal Scene...

You need to say in my opinion or you make a lot of people pissed off!

In my opinion you don't need to say in my opinion because every sane person understand that "xxx band is the best" is always an opinion. I just don't understand why people care so much what other people say. We have good proverb for that in Finnish "yksi tykkää äidistä, toinen tyttärestä" ;)

Or Backyard babies as best band ever :D
They are.
 
I have no idea where the fuck is she finding all those obscure bands.She said that she is tired of ``mainstream``bands and thats she wants to explore underground bands.Its just a normal teen phase,eventualy she will grow up as everyone who is in underground things.

Looking for underground bands doesn't make one close-minded tbh.
 
true,but when ure convinced that everything from mainstream music is shit,and that only true music is undergorund that makes you close minded
 
Read the answer I gave to failure_of_threads. That's what he is!!! BUT WORSE!!!!! If he only likes music from a specific area then he is indeed a close minded asshole, not only that bet he is ignorant about music!!! Seeing that you're from Norway, do you listen to any Black Metal???

A little late response because i didnt see this, but no, i do not listen to any black metal at all. Nothing that even resembles it even, tbh
 
Looking for the crappiest sounding, less known and more pain to your ears bands does though.

I fail to see why; especially since I have been known to listen to some of the more abrasive bands. Different people enjoy different sounds, I enjoy the harshness of BM bands like Ildjarn for example.
 
Hatred was allways in metal scene same way it was and still is in every other music genre.Back in the 80s some real metalheads hated GNR and all that glam metal bands.So what?Its normal.

I was a great fan of the Gunners in the 90s. :cool:

So what if older fans stopped listening to COB when they discovered ``heavier``things,most of younger fans might do the same in the future.

For me COB is "hard" enough. And I'm no young fan - I'm middle-aged.
But thats all a matter of taste - so live and let live.
 
I fail to see why; especially since I have been known to listen to some of the more abrasive bands. Different people enjoy different sounds, I enjoy the harshness of BM bands like Ildjarn for example.

Why? Because many many many many many many (I think I made it clear now?) BM and DM underground bands sound so fucking bad, bassy, unclear, many times off beat and many other absolutely non-musical things you may think they're not even music, just noise. Even though sometimes the music they're suposed to be playing isn't actually bad, but they fuck it up with such horrible sound you can't even listen to them.
 
Why? Because many many many many many many (I think I made it clear now?) BM and DM underground bands sound so fucking bad, bassy, unclear, many times off beat and many other absolutely non-musical things you may think they're not even music, just noise. Even though sometimes the music they're suposed to be playing isn't actually bad, but they fuck it up with such horrible sound you can't even listen to them.

I think that's a bit of a generalization. I can hear notes when it comes to BM like early Darkthrone, Burzum, and really raw shit like Ildjarn. And I fail to see how sloppy playing adds "non-musicality" to a song. I feel that a lot of the time, it shows more artistic expression than a lot of the ultra-precise, ultra-produced stuff out there. Stuff like that adds character to it, my friend.

I admit that raw BM is a really rough genre to get into, it took me two years for it to click... but when one does, it actually is really rewarding. At least IMO. :V
 
Even the most strictly organized compositions never quarantee adoration, not even among the most experienced of music listeners. At the end of the day we like to listen to what affects us. Doing tricks with the sound is an essential thing, but if it's everything then something's not right. Nothing surpasses creativity and originality.

I metaphorize this a bit: it was never the cheeky special effects that made the first Terminators so cool, but then came the 3rd... :rolleyes: What a piece of commercial garbage.

...it shows more artistic expression than a lot of the ultra-precise, ultra-produced stuff out there. Stuff like that adds character to it.

I agree.

But if it's done intentionally.. :ill:
 
And I fail to see how sloppy playing adds "non-musicality" to a song. I feel that a lot of the time, it shows more artistic expression than a lot of the ultra-precise, ultra-produced stuff out there. Stuff like that adds character to it, my friend.

How ironic. Musicians devote time to practicing their instruments in order to sound 'better' and yet The Butt likes the sound of crappy playing :lol: I would think that being able to accurately convey your artistic expression through your instrument would be valued over being unprecise in your playing. But I guess you're probably the type or person to adore Picasso's absurd artwork, seeing how that is quite unprecise, or is it? Perhaps it is precise in that it is not precise :err:

Anyway, I fail to see how sloppy playing doesn't take away from musicality. I understand your point, but ultra produced and ultra precise are two different things, are they not?
 
But if it's done intentionally.. :ill:

The way I see it, I like Varg Vikernes' philosophy on the matter of playing precision.

"The whole point with the musical rebellion was to not make "perfect" albums, to not make music with "this or that" brand of instruments, it was to not go to a particular sound studio to get "this or that sound", and it was to not sound like other bands. A few mistakes makes the music more alive and personal, it simply gives the music some "soul" and originality, so I never bothered to correct anything. The music on the Burzum albums is simply an honest and sincere, unvarnished and clear representation of me. Certainly I am not flawless or without mistakes, so neither is my music."

If you are expecting raw BM albums and the like to have ultra-precise playing, and crystal clear mixing, you are simply missing the fucking point of the genre by a lot, and really shouldn't even talk about it tbh. It's a rebellion against standard musical practises.

And yes, art-wise I do enjoy Picasso, or even impressionist stuff like Jackson Pollock, eveningninja. I fail to see how this is a bad thing; it provokes thought, does it not? That is enough to make it good art.

That is what people fail to realize; thought-provoking art always, always beats out technically proficient art, every single time. Be it on canvas, or with music. I think people need to lrn2art here.
 
I think that's a bit of a generalization. I can hear notes when it comes to BM like early Darkthrone, Burzum, and really raw shit like Ildjarn. And I fail to see how sloppy playing adds "non-musicality" to a song. I feel that a lot of the time, it shows more artistic expression than a lot of the ultra-precise, ultra-produced stuff out there. Stuff like that adds character to it, my friend.

I admit that raw BM is a really rough genre to get into, it took me two years for it to click... but when one does, it actually is really rewarding. At least IMO. :V

I'm not talking about Darkthrone or Burzum (War is the most boring song I've ever covered live but whatever, the actual song is not absolute crap), but the underground unknow local bands which try to sound like them and sound like fucking shit, like a dog being beaten up.

Ultra produced (Dragonforce) does suck major cock most of the times, but not ultra precise (Wintersun, Necropagist, Vader, Sinergy, ...). That does make the music even more enjoyable, or do you think Alexi fucking up a solo or Muhammed going out of the harmonic lines of the song or Vader going out of timing would sound good?

I agree.

But if it's done intentionally.. :ill:

Sloopy: uncontrolled and fucked up playing. You can't do that on purpose. That's called going off beat or purposefuly breaking the ''right'' melodic lines, and is actually a technique (hard to say if useful or practical though), and then yeah, credit goes to the musician.

The way I see it, I like Varg Vikernes' philosophy on the matter of playing precision.

"The whole point with the musical rebellion was to not make "perfect" albums, to not make music with "this or that" brand of instruments, it was to not go to a particular sound studio to get "this or that sound", and it was to not sound like other bands. A few mistakes makes the music more alive and personal, it simply gives the music some "soul" and originality, so I never bothered to correct anything. The music on the Burzum albums is simply an honest and sincere, unvarnished and clear representation of me. Certainly I am not flawless or without mistakes, so neither is my music."

I call that lame excuses for what can't be excused. I can accept that he wants to do things a certain way because he likes it even if he can do better (I don't understand it but I can accept it), but justifying shitty playing by saying that it adds rebellion to music is like saying that you're going to do the maths for the ultimate economy formula wrong because you're a rebel, not because you can't. Or like if I say that my Paco de Lucia cover is not shit, but that I'm a rebel and I'm doing it wrong on purpose.

About giving the music soul, freshness and originality, that's what is called a live album imho.

If you are expecting raw BM albums and the like to have ultra-precise playing, and crystal clear mixing, you are simply missing the fucking point of the genre by a lot, and really shouldn't even talk about it tbh. It's a rebellion against standard musical practises.

Raw for me is Vader or Slayer or Municipal Waste. Simple lineup, simple production, not many effects besides distortion and in your face kind of music. Not music recorded with the same quality as if you recorded a rehearshal with your MP3 player. I don't want a BM album to sound like Dream Theater, but I want it to have audible quality. Emperor, Burzum, Immortal, ... actually have that (not the clearest sound and by far not my favourite tone but something audible, not harmful to human ear), but a shitload of non-famous so called underground bands sound to me like if they're just trying to set their amps to get the worst tone possible and make the biggest mess possible.


Plus, the thing that bothers me more about BM: what the fuck is up with the tr00 attitude ''let's burn churches down and chase people down the street and kill goats''. What the hell have fucking goats or pigs or whatever done to BM? What has the normal citizen who looks astounded by someone painted in corpse paint walking down the street? I just don't get it, same as with the stupid karate shit on hardcore gigs.

If you want something in particular, I'd never let bands like Gorgoroth play again or do anything. It's ok to do your music and write about whatever the fuck you want, but not beat someone up for the sake of it.

Bands like Emperor, Dimmu or Immortal can stay though. I won't like them, but they just do their thing.



Tl,dr: I ranted about BM, the search for the crappiest sound ever by some BM bands and the stupid tr00 attitude some BM fans have.
 
If you are expecting raw BM albums and the like to have ultra-precise playing, and crystal clear mixing, you are simply missing the fucking point of the genre by a lot, and really shouldn't even talk about it tbh. It's a rebellion against standard musical practises.


HAhahahaahahahahahaaha :lol::lol::lol:


WOW i just lost whatever little respect i had for BM, that's just fucking childish and hilarious!

Cool story bro