@Uneasy_Conscience:
I did not say fans don't care about genres, bands don't. They make music they like, easy as that.
The Beatles. Rolling Stones. Michael Jackson. Deep Purple. Elvis Presley. Metallica. There you go, some mainstream bands and singers. If it was up to you, they've never seen the light of day, because how dare they make fotunes with their music as recognized as world class by many! Yes, that mentality is sad, but I doubt you could help it. I'm glad you moved on though and found some bands with 200 listeners on last.fm, if that's your thing.
I was getting at that you openly admitted here, that every time a new IF album comes out you and your pals come here (and to other boards) and spread the world what a fucking sellouts they are and how this album sucks major balls. Meanwhile you act so proud that you inspired their early music. Good Lord, if you want to be productive tell them which songs did you almost like if it had this and that, which songs you could like if it did not had this and that, what could they do musically to compromise between your needs and their vision, etc. You see, I have no problem with people bashing SC, because now I know they can appreciate new IF as well, so their reviews are actually meaningful, even for IFs. I could visit Coldplay forums and keep spamming how fucking bad they are, I don't think it would help anyone.
No-no, I never said no1 has the right to complain, feel free to vent your anger (but don't be surprised if I find it hard not to ridicule it), but you have no right to tell anyone or anything what to do. No, not even newer fans, I just said they would have more right (I repeat, they don't have any either, so chill) to order IF around since they are following longer.
And how do you know if IF liked R2R more than their previous work? It's so much less FOR YOU dude. And yes, people and bands change, at least if you are not a sheep but an actual individual. Anders has family, kids, you can't fucking expect him to be the same person as 20 years ago and you have 0 (ZERO) right to tell him that if this is the case, then make a new band. Even R2R was 6 yeas after TJR, a lot of shit happens during 6 years. You want to shackle his hands because in 1996 the dude and the other band members were totally digging what they did on TJR (as some early 20 years old kids, mind you), so how dare they think differently 6 years later! Do you hear yourself? Are you the same person as 8/12/20 years ago? No, you are constantly affected by the outside, people, events, etc challange you, your morals your beliefs your everything. You can find new things to like everyday and you can get bored with stuff you used to do or like everyday. A band consists of living, breathing human beings who experience this, thus the whole band is an entity, like it or not. They might have a brand to appeal to, they can't suddenly make a country album, but the way you wanted to limit them is abusive, yes. Like it or not. And I happily take my stance on this as the pathetic one for not acting as the 21th century Inquisition.
You're narrowing what I wrote down to absurd levels. It's something you do in all your posts to paint this "old fans who only like TJR" vs "new loyal fans" picture. Problem for you is that many of the older fans still buy and listen to their stuff. I bought and very much enjoyed CC and SOAPF. So what then? Am I still unimportant to the band despite being an older fan, or is there more to this than you're attempting to think about?
Thank you, agreed. Even more so considering I was buying their albums up until this one, wouldn't you say?
You exhibit it enough in reverse so I imagine you do indeed understand that mentality.
This is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read. Extrapolation to the most absurd point possible.
A lot of the newer fans don't like the older stuff or have never heard it, so this is nonsense.
Not sure what you mean by 'tributes'. Difficult to understand where this argument is going now, beyond arguing for the sake of it.
Another hilarious quote. Who are they playing in front of during their tours? Of course they're part of the music. The band has admitted they write their tracks with live performance in mind... who do you think they are considering, the security guards at the front of the stage? The roadies? The guys at the bar? Stop and think before you post, in your desperate attempts to furiously defend the band you're making some incredibly dense statements.
Well if you are still with IF then my post is clearly not meant for you.
Yes, it's more ridiculous than acting as they owe you more for being there earlier. Not much more, just more.
So a lot of the newer fans never even heard the old stuf therefore they would hate it. Okay, then let me tell you they would like many of them live, but keep it as a secret between us.
What I meant by tribute is t be FORCED to play stuff, or call you people out in every concert and whatnot, like constantly reminding you, that yes, indeed, you helped us a lot! Here, we kicked out 5 staple songs from our setlist for 5 TJR tracks, fuck the new guys, you are the real fans, you deserve it! - that would be pretty funny, right? I think you yourself did the math that even without being biased, IF has so many albums now that it's hard to make room for older stuff aside from 2-3 tracks max.
Please, don't tell me you are another cavemen, so let's make it simple, maybe I expressed myself in the wrong way and that's why you misunderstood me.
If you think any band or singer should consider changing their music because they think "oh man, but I remember reading DE4life's forum posts, and he said he doesn't dig songs with too heavy bass(*). Fuck, we just did one like that and we totally liked it... ahh, okay, redo. Does anybody remember what he likes?"
*just wanted to make an example, doesn't matter if you actually like heavy bass or not
You see, fans should never ever influence a decent band's music this way.
The Jester thing is totally okay. Or listen to Slipknot's Pulse Of The Maggots. That's a tribute song for the fans and it's perfectly fine, but they did not invite any maggot (slipknot term for jester) into the studio to tell them if the song is fine for them or they want some parts to be reworked for their tastes. The lyrics are for the fans, the song itself is for the fans, but the music? That's 8 people doing what they like, hoping people will still dig it.
Thanks for the other links though, will check it out.
