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The thing is, a royalty-rate is there so that the artist gets his share of the profits made from selling his copied work.. so we would have to go directly to the publisher with our project because we aren't making a profit off this thing...

Have we decided on an official contact person for the publishers? I don't know if we should have 1 person do all of them or maybe 1 person per publishing company?

-P
 
Unfortunately it doesn't. If you plan on giving this out for free, I would suggest contacting the publishers directly. They very well may be into this idea and be able to cut you a deal. Here are the publishers for Holy Diver:

VINTAB PUBLISHING
335 SE 6TH AVE
N-207
DELRAY BEACH, FL, 33483
Tel. (561) 706-2707
Email: tabithavinny@hotmail.com

NIJI MUSIC
C/O NIJI MANAGEMENT INC
12318 VENTURA BLVD
STUDIO CITY, CA 91604
NIJIWD@AOL.COM

I also noticed that you guys are from all different parts of the world. Do you plan on distributing this internationally?
 
Publishers According to BMI Repertoire Search

NIJI MUSIC
Stand Up And Shout
Holy Diver
Rainbow In The Dark
Dream Evil
All The Fools Sailed Away
We Rock
Long Live Rock And Roll
Gates of Babylon
Neon Knights
Children Of The Sea
Heaven and Hell
The Last In Line

PURPLE
Stargazer
Kill the King

Thanks for the mailing info Mike, wouldn't happen to have Purple's would you?

-P
 
Mauve Music/Purple (USA) Music, Inc.
12424 Wilshire Blvd.
Suite 1000
Los Angeles, CA 90025
Contact Name - John LeConte
Phone - (213) 207-2220
Fax - (213) 207-0556
 
So who's paying for all of this anyway?

Just wondering cause I am not about to invest a ton of cash in something I am not going to re-coup my money back on. If all sales are going to charity then .... well you see what I am getting at.

Its going to cost a few hundred per song, so that's a few thousand dollars to do this.
 
Very few people clear 5000 downloads upfront. If you guys would want to clear 200 downloads first, the math would be: $0.091*200 = 18.20 per track. Plus our licensing fee of $15, it would be a total of $33.20 per track. We can also give you guys a discount from the $15. If contacting the publishers doesn't work out just shoot me a message.
 
MeltingFaces said:
Very few people clear 5000 downloads upfront. If you guys would want to clear 200 downloads first, the math would be: $0.091*200 = 18.20 per track. Plus our licensing fee of $15, it would be a total of $33.20 per track. We can also give you guys a discount from the $15. If contacting the publishers doesn't work out just shoot me a message.
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Thats not really bad at all ...

2 questions:

what was it again for songs over like 3 minutes? Cause At least 1/2 the tunes are over that

other question is does this license apply internationally?
 
Ok here is an idea:

Pauli, how about you try contacting the individual publishers to see if we can get a reduced or waived rate based on the idea that we want to make this a free download with a voluntary donation to a Dio charity ...

Maybe we get lucky and get hooked up. Even if we don't or its only a reduced rate here is the other part of the idea:

We set up a page where all of the tunes are listed for download. We charge only enough per tune (based on what the royalty fee is) to basically make it self-sustaining. In other words, Children of the Sea seems like it would be around $67 for licensing with about 500 downloads. Its one of the longer songs so thats why. That is without any possibly reduced royalty fee or discount for the license (awesome by the way). That basically works out to like 15 cents per download or something. Any discounts would only further bring the cost of the download, well, down.

Any person who is going around online and willing to make a donation to Dio's charity obviously has the means to purchase online so its not like having to pay for the download would be a problem. I can only think of it in terms of how I would approach a charity donation. If I was prepared to donate $5, $10, $20 whatever to a charity, paying roughly 10-15 cents per tune for however many songs we'll have works out to maybe an additional $1.50 ... who wouldn't do that?
 
Skinny Viking said:
other question is does this license apply internationally?
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As I wrote in a previous post, it doesn't. AFAIK at least.

But if we host the files in the US, we should be good to go.

We could start with as little as - let's say - a hundred downloads per track and gradually clear higher numbers if the demand is there.

An option would be to leave the decision to each team: Either contacting publishers directly to work out rates or to just get their licenses from a service-provider like Limelight. The latter one being the faster and easier solution, while the first one might be the cheaper route (not guaranteed though).

Edit: Didn't see your latest post Carlos, as I was writing this.
 
An interesting fact: Niji Music is a subsidiary of Niji Management, which is actually Wendy Dio's management company. So, mailing to NIJIWD@AOL.COM might even get us in direct contact with Wendy.

However, I have a hard time believing that the Sabbath songs are being published through Niji (as BMI states). HFA Songfile lists other publishers for the Sabbath songs (Cromwell).

Edit: Further inspections throughout the web in fact confirm that this e-mail address is Wendy's.
 
Digital Download Licenses don't have an international boundry AFAIK. I'll contact both publishing groups this week and post their answers in this thread when they feel like getting back to me :).

When sending the letters should I label it as sent from myself or the Backstage Metal moniker? Guitarguru?

-P
 
slashvanyoung said:
An interesting fact: Niji Music is a subsidiary of Niji Management, which is actually Wendy Dio's management company. So, mailing to NIJIWD@AOL.COM might even get us in direct contact with Wendy.

However, I have a hard time believing that the Sabbath songs are being published through Niji (as BMI states). HFA Songfile lists other publishers for the Sabbath songs (Cromwell).

Edit: Further inspections throughout the web in fact confirm that this e-mail address is Wendy's.
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BMI's is for performance licenses so the mechanical/digital download licenses will probably have to come from elsewhere aswell, I tried getting on HFA but was having trouble on my work comp for somereason... I'll get the other publishers tonight and try to get the letters sent by wednesday..

-P
 
Yeah right, I even explained somewhere in this very thread that BMI isn't responsible for this.

Paulie, you might have a look at a few pages back as I posted a link to a directory of publisher addresses.

Digital downloads ARE location-bound as with all mechanical licenses though as they're are different publishers in every country, represented by the respective collection societies.
 
Paulie! said:
Digital Download Licenses don't have an international boundry AFAIK. I'll contact both publishing groups this week and post their answers in this thread when they feel like getting back to me :).

When sending the letters should I label it as sent from myself or the Backstage Metal moniker? Guitarguru?

-P
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I say go with the Backstage Metal name, Jason already agreed to use that name for this project, and having a name makes it sound a bit more serious I think, might make the publishers take us a bit less lightly.

Anssi listed the publishers for the songs a couple pages back, check that out. Good luck Paul with that! And it wouldn't hurt to hit a mail to wendy's mail as posted by Slash, worst thing that could happen is to never get a response right?

Oh and Mike, thanks for all the help!
 
Skinny Viking said:
Thats not really bad at all ...

2 questions:

what was it again for songs over like 3 minutes? Cause At least 1/2 the tunes are over that

other question is does this license apply internationally?
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The statutory royalty rate is $0.091 per song up to 5 minutes not 3, my apologies. But that will actually work out to be a positive thing for you guys. If any song is above 5 minutes, its $0.0175 per minute(almost 2 cents). So for any song from 5min 1sec - 6min, it would be 0.0175*6 = $0.105. For songs from 6min 1sec - 7min, it would be 0.0175*7 = $0.1225. And so on for every extra minute.


Every territory has different laws regarding copyright and royalties. To digitally distribute within the US, you have to obtain a mechanical license whether it be on an online music service such as iTunes, or your own personal website. Typically, if you are distributing your music through a digital music service outside the US, those service handle the royalty payments for you. If you plan to distribute is through your own website which is hosted somewhere outside the US, you would have to deal with the publishing organization directly. For example, if your website was hosted in Germany, you would have to talk with GEMA.

Here is a link to our FAQ, this may help answer some of your questions.
http://limelight.rightsflow.com/page/faq

Do you guys plan on distributing through a music service or through your own personal website?
 
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