you have a degree in biochemistry, yet you dont think ischemic events lead to brain cell death???
The "What Are You Doing This Moment" Thread
- Thread starter A8
- Start date
you have a degree in biochemistry, yet you dont think ischemic events lead to brain cell death???
CiG
Room with a View
Instead of reporting me for frivolous reasons why don't you seek out help in real life? You clearly need it kid.
dwellerINTHEdark
Curator of the mausoleum
I haven't read the posts thoroughly because this argument looks beyond stupid, but please tell me you're not implying that sneezing is an ischemic event.
EternalMetal
Active Member
- Mar 31, 2004
- 1,843
- 670
- 113
Well, I am saying that you are improperly defining what qualifies to be an ischemic event. Brain cells wont start dying in seconds.
is that an absolute?
no brain cells are capable of dying from even soft impacts, or oxygen deprivation regardless of duration?
you actually believe that?
TechnicalBarbarity
Poser Disposer
PrincessHades
Active Member
- Apr 11, 2015
- 3,033
- 1,435
- 113
There are different kinds of nerve cells. I'm most worried about the motor neurons. But it is pretty bad for your brain. If I sniff a lot of rubber cement, I will get a ten minute high with a hard to describe full body warmth, and I will be numb. However, for the next week, I will be stupid. I won't be able to think about anything. That shows how much damage it causes. Luckily, most of it is repaired. However, I am sure repeated use will make me like that permanently. I am not as smart as I used to be. There is both short term and long term brain damage. Most is not permanent, but neurons never grow back the same. They always mutate. I actually wonder if this brings a risk of brain cancer. Some types of inhalants are proven to cause lung cancer.
PrincessHades
Active Member
- Apr 11, 2015
- 3,033
- 1,435
- 113
Krow
Garbage Connoisseur
There's so many safer ways to get fucked up man, don't you have a crusty uncle that'll buy you a 40 or something? As small as you are a 40 of Hurricane or some shit would fuck you up beyond recognition way longer than frying brain cells.
EternalMetal
Active Member
- Mar 31, 2004
- 1,843
- 670
- 113
Yes, I dont believe a cell will initiate apoptosis based on infinitesimal changes in conditions. Certainly not within seconds of oxygen deprivation, that I am sure of. Slight tissue damage due to trauma of any kind? I guess it is plausible that some death may occur on a very low scale, but this type of cell death would be so subtle that it would be impossible to measure it (so you would only be able to theorize the possibility). Stuff this subtle is not what is leading you to observe CTE without diagnosed concussions, at least. Do you really believe that it is?
TechnicalBarbarity
Poser Disposer
well tbh he's still gonna be fryin' some brain cells with that 40 too, lol. But yeah, i fully endorse krows statement
EternalMetal
Active Member
- Mar 31, 2004
- 1,843
- 670
- 113
Have you read anything ive posted in the past page or so? This wouldnt be the case.
There is no way to determine when the next time will become the last time. Paralysis will be the least of your problems if the next time you do it your heart stops beating, or you lose consciousness and never get it back. There is such thing as neuroplasticity, but you are taking it too far; you are probably doing irreversible brain damage if you can notice the long term effects. I suggest stopping inhalants entirely, for your own good.
Im not saying every instance will lead to brain cell death. I am saying there are other factors that could induce such occurrences, such as medications, o2 saturation levels, diet and exercise, diabetes, etc. Some or a few of those factors could lead to cell death with some o2 deprivation. I never said the amount would be measurable. I was saying brain cells die all the time, for a wide array of reasons and variables, let alone drugs or alcohol
I didnt say things of such a minute nature lead to CTE, but there have been several documented cases of people getting CTE without being diagnosed with concussions. I dont think we have near the full score of the impact on our neurological system by just existing.
indoor and outdoor pollution, decreasing water quality, decreasing food quality, work hazards, etc. there are many things that can damage your brain, and I dont think anyone can know the full picture. we're still learning a lot. Neurology is a field constantly growing and expanding
TechnicalBarbarity
Poser Disposer
No, i havent. I skimmed through some bullshit about losing brain cells from sneezing and had enough. Just read the first post on this page which was krows. So drinking shitty malt liquor wont kill brain cells? Knocking down bottles of whisky or vodka nightly wont kill your brain cells? Or at least somehow conttibute to the lossof brain cells? Im no expert here, jsut asking.
CiG
Room with a View
Who said anything about mental help? Chain yourself to a tree until you no longer need to wreck your brain with household cleaning products.
TechnicalBarbarity
Poser Disposer
dwellerINTHEdark
Curator of the mausoleum
EternalMetal
Active Member
- Mar 31, 2004
- 1,843
- 670
- 113
You are right that there are a variety of variables leading to cell death, and that cells are constantly dying and being replaced, but to attribute the cell death to an event such as a sneeze would just be stretching the truth. I mentioned being measurable because that is how science works. If it cannot be observed, it cannot be proven, only theorized.
Many forms of Alzheimers, ALS, etc have no known cause, this is just another enigmatic question to add to the pile. You brought up idiopathic CTE cases as an argument when we were still talking about brain damage due to sneezing and headbanging. I am saying that the chances that these mild mechanisms are even remotely responsible is implausible.
Meh. In reality there is probably partial truth in both of our claims, but the crux of my initial argument hinged on two things; an ischemic attack does not occur during something so minor as a sneeze, and that your average headbanging is not traumatic enough to specifically cause brain cells to die. The brain is definitely a sensitive organ, and if you were to show me data proving your points I would definitely concede. In the meantime uncertainty is king.
Most of the brain damage due to alcohol is attributed in the short term to dehydration and the lack of proper nutrient delivery to the brain as a result of this. Drinking enough to have a hangover will result in some sort of brain damage, though in severity probably not permanently. Long term alcoholism is more complicated. Though the idea of alcohol killing brain cells is more myth than truth.
I agree, I wasnt saying in every instance such things occur, only it can happen. I also said around that time
I wasnt talking in absolutes, only that there are many contributing factors into what causes brain cell death. I made no mention to the impact of such a minute event
