The "What Are You Doing This Moment" Thread

[uhhhhmmmm4]

Overwatch is just full of jokes today

 

[Funerary_Doom]

They also tend to suggest that transvestites, crossdressers and intersex people are the "gray area" between genders, but you could just say that intersex people and generally those with odd chromosone arrangements, are some kind of third gender or "other", but people who genetically belong to a gender, belong to that gender. Why do I make that distinction, well, we don't even know what it's like to "be" the other gender. Supposedly men and women even see colours differently, they have different hormone levels affecting their feelings, they have complex biological differences between them and males. So to say someone is totally female because they had a sex change is kind of primitive and pretentious.

Well the problem is not all men and not all women have the same hormonal balance and or levels. Sometimes hormonal levels can be indicated in features too. When you think about feminine" features on a women, and "what makes a face feminine" it's a small chin, big eyes and big lips. These are considered estrogen indicators and the opposite of these features (i.e. small eyes, small lips, big chin) are considered to be testosterone indicators, generally speaking. So there are men who visibly and naturally have more estrogen than others and vice versa. Is it enough to say they are totally female if this cis male went through a complete gender change? I don't know to be honest. But it is enough for me to put him in the gray area because his hormonal levels are different than the average male.

 

[UltimateApathy]

I've never understood why we have to use the terms "girlfriend" and "boyfriend" regardless of the age of the people in question, and especially when they fall several decades short of being "girls" or "boys."

 

[Vimana]

So there are men who visibly and naturally have more estrogen than others and vice versa. Is it enough to say they are totally female if this cis male went through a complete gender change? I don't know to be honest. But it is enough for me to put him in the gray area because his hormonal levels are different than the average male.

But he still produces sperm, has a penis, lacks ovaries, a uterus, a vagina, a clitoris, etc.

 

[Einherjar86]

Judith Butler has a bigger dick than all you bitches.

 

[Mort Divine]

I think it's fine to make up a new pronoun and use it, as well as identify oneself as whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't hurt others, but if people pushing new pronouns want to be taken seriously, they should stop saying things like that. Male and female are the genders.

Unless you're a hermaphrodite, you fit into the "restrictive" binary. But you don't have to identify by it. It's not that you are not the gender, but that you don't identify as it, and I think that sounds more reasonable than saying, "I have a penis, but I'm not a man." Try, "I have a penis, but I identify as something different than man or woman and would prefer to be treated as such."

This "gender binary" exists in a lot of plants and most animals, and has existed in most cultures in history. The only exceptions I can think of are a third gender in Sumerian mythology and a Hindu god that is both male and female.

Biological sex =/= gender identity

 

[Vimana]

Which is exactly why people are better off not arguing against this "Western gender binary" and simply saying they personally identify themselves as something different from how people would identify them based on their genitalia and chromosomes.

 

[The Butt]

How is xe doing? Xe is fine, how about xu? Xym doing fine, thank xu for asking. Do xu know what xey are doing tonight? Nah, Xy have no idea xude.

Progrexxive, brought to you by the letter X.

:Spin::Spin::Spin:

 

[Mort Divine]

Which is exactly why people are better off not arguing against this "Western gender binary" and simply saying they personally identify themselves as something different from how people would identify them based on their genitalia and chromosomes.

The better idea is to not use biological sex to determine perceived gender identity in general.

However one self-identifies and their expression of such is all that should matter in non-medical situations (where biological males/females are at higher risks of certain things happening to them, or obviously pregnancy etc.)

 

[Vimana]

We're pretty much saying the same thing. Identify yourself however you want, whether it fits into anything associated with biological sex or not, but using language like "Western gender binary" just sounds ridiculous to those who don't understand these things.

If someone thinks your identity is determined by your gender, saying that we live in a binary system that is restrictive will sound like you're trying to argue that biologically there aren't two genders, since biological gender is gender identity to them.

 

[Mort Divine]

It might, but I'm not concerned if people think that I'm saying something like that. If they want to know what I mean I'm willing to explain to them that sex is not gender and that while there primarily are two sexes (with the occasional intersex person) gender should not be viewed in that light.

It should be thought of as a "spectrum"

 

[Vimana]

If people think that's what you're saying, you have to change the way you express yourself to get the meaning across. I don't disagree with you on how people can identify themselves, but the approach you take with getting those who don't understand these things to understand them.

 

[Mort Divine]

Fair enough.

 

[Einherjar86]

Understand?

 

[The Butt]

Does this mean genderfluids can pick up their dot on that chart and say "I think I'm about here today"?

 

[waif]

Watching Game of Thrones season 4. Finding it very disappointing.

 

[Nephilim96]

Why do we need both Genderqueer and Agender? They're both basically the same thing (a person who doesn't identify as a male or female).

 

[Zephyrus]

Label your axes, man.

 

[Einherjar86]

Why do we need both Genderqueer and Agender? They're both basically the same thing (a person who doesn't identify as a male or female).

Post-1970s/80s critical theory has deconstructed gender so that it no longer strictly means a binary of Man and Woman; if gender is indeed a social construct, then there's absolutely no reason why new combinatory or mixed genders cannot develop.

With this in mind, genderqueer/similar means a subject who identifies with a sense of gender but cannot reduce itself to Man or Woman (if we're being truly critical, this is actually all of us; we just choose to accept the identity of Man and Woman because it's culturally easier). In fact, reduction of that sort may make the subject feel excluded or inauthentic; but rather than retreat from gender, a new form may be embraced (since we're just dealing with social constructions anyway).

Agender designates a subject with no sense of gender at all. I have no idea what the statistics are on this, but I find such an identity to be highly unlikely. It's simply another category that emerges out of the possibilities of gender (i.e. the possibility to identify with no gender).

 

[Vimana]

Do you mean that I identify as genderqueer simply by acknowledging I'm male but not playing at all by any role society places on it?