Metal versus Hip Hop

[Satanstoenail]

I have no need of metal other than metal

Typo of the week

Also, yes Gravediggaz are excellent.

 

[Satanstoenail]

You missed my point. Metal can get away with having lyrics of such a nature because lyrics are irrelevant in metal, whereas in hip-hop they are at the forefront, and constitute the essence of the musical experience. One reason I don't like hip-hop is because I pay no heed to how important the lyrics and vocals are, so all I have left to listen for is the background music to the vocalist, which I find to be unappealing.

Most of the hip-hop I listen to that contains lyrics about drugs & guns or whatever is done in a tongue in cheek fashion, or at least that's how I perceive it. But most of my hip-hop collection doesn't deal with those topics.

The music and overall sound is the most important factor to my enjoyment of hip-hop, not the lyrics. I can understand if you aren't into the repetitiveness of the music, but it doesn't bother me at all if it's done well.

 

[cookiecutter]

I don't care about rap because it has nothing to do with indo-european culture.

Are you serious?

 

[BlackMetalWhiteGuy]

What is your stance on hip-hop and rap?

There can be some catchy tunes, but the general style seems to be to take a few decent measures and loop them indefinitely, which spoils my appreciation for them. Also, the focus is on the lyrics and vocals, while the music itself seems rather unimportant. Essentially, it's rhythmic shouting by untrained, uneducated vocalists, of lyrics that are often tangential with little to no logical or ideological flow and virtually no artistic or intellectual merit or competence of any sort.

What do you think of the subculture that accompanies it?

They come off as ignorant and simplistic as their music does. I'm not sure whether a seemingly uneducated and superficial subculture is responsible for the lack of compositional integrity in the music, or if conversely the uninspirational music perpetuates these characteristics within those who listen. In all likelihood, it probably goes both ways.

How do you think women are treated in the hip-hop/rap scene?

Likes bitches 'n' hoes.

EDIT:

I am most turned off by the slang and incredibly poor language skills. Certainly in metal there are times when a foreign band's English isn't great, but it's no where near the atrocity that I see in a lot of rap/hip-hop groups...especially when English is their first language. Hearing "I is" or "You is" just annoys me.

Yes. Considering that the vast majority of the metal that I listen to comes from non-English speaking countries, their English is still far superior to that of many rappers and rap fans who speak it as a first or only language. Honestly, I find it a bit appalling that a scene could thrive and even take pride in how inarticulate they are, but maybe it's just a matter of perspective. Considering this, maybe a lot of them don't even realize how in-eloquent they sound from an outsider's perspective.

 

[cookiecutter]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_American_vernacular

 

[Ender Rises]

I don't care if it is considered a dialect, people who use it still sound like morons.

 

[Pessimism]

Niggamortis

 

[Cythraul]

Are you serious?

Sort of, not really. Why do you care? Should I be multicultural to satisfy your faggot wimp tendencies?

 

[Zephyrus]

Are you serious?

Identifying with cultural roots is a basic human instinct. It's not until someone has a legitimate positive experience with unfamiliar cultures that they are able to open their minds to other cultural elements such as music. The fact is that most of the people on this planet cannot have these experiences. The internet has helped tremendously, but the media and lack of personal experience has allowed even those who could go out and meet someone different to use the media and base stereotypes off of that.

And those who don't have access to media are probably too isolated to ever have those cross-cultural experiences.

If Cythraul made an effort to personally engage in non-Indo-European culture, his stance would soften up considerably.

 

[Zephyrus]

Or he could have just been joking. My previous statement would apply if he were serious.

 

[Cythraul]

Or he could have just been joking. My previous statement would apply if he were serious.

i'm sort of joking you know parodying those anus people and whatnot. I'm not trying to be racist or ethnocentric but I simply do not understand the culture that rap/hip hop is derived from and I am not interested in it. That's not narrow-minded or bigoted. I am not going to pretend that I have the cultural background to actually get the whole gist of rap/hip hop. I find some of it interesting but that is purely interest from an outsider's perspective. It's not my shit. My shit is metal, classical, ambient, etc. etc. I am not under some moral obligation to appreciate black culture.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

yep +1

 

[Manic Ferocity]

i'm sort of joking you know parodying those anus people and whatnot. I'm not trying to be racist or ethnocentric but I simply do not understand the culture that rap/hip hop is derived from and I am not interested in it. That's not narrow-minded or bigoted. I am not going to pretend that I have the cultural background to actually get the whole gist of rap/hip hop. I find some of it interesting but that is purely interest from an outsider's perspective. It's not my shit. My shit is metal, classical, ambient, etc. etc. I am not under some moral obligation to appreciate black culture.

I agree with this in the sense that I don't identify whatsoever with hip hop culture.

 

[black blood]

First of all I will never accept rap/hip-hop as a music genre, since no musicians or instruments are present. Sampling other peoples music doesn't warrant a music genre.

That said, I can, actually listen to some rappers, mainly ones that sample blues riffs or occasionaly clever lyrics.

 

[NinjaGeek]

First of all I will never accept rap/hip-hop as a music genre, since no musicians or instruments are present. Sampling other peoples music doesn't warrant a music genre.

That said, I can, actually listen to some rappers, mainly ones that sample blues riffs or occasionaly clever lyrics.

so techno and all other forms of electronic music aren't genres either?

 

[cookiecutter]

Sort of, not really. Why do you care? Should I be multicultural to satisfy your faggot wimp tendencies?

I figured you would probably insult me but all I wanted was an explanation. I don't really care much about black culture either. I just thought saying "indo-european culture" was silly and if you weren't joking I would think less of you.

Identifying with cultural roots is a basic human instinct.

I don't think this is true. People identify with the culture that surrounds them not their supposed roots. I have no cultural connection to Italy despite being able to trace recent descendants there.

 

[Zephyrus]

I don't think this is true. People identify with the culture that surrounds them not their supposed roots. I have no cultural connection to Italy despite being able to trace recent descendants there.

White America is mostly a vestige of European culture, transplanted to another continent. To identify as a traditional White American is essentially the same thing as identifying with European heritage.

What I find interesting is that Cythraul said "Indo-European" instead of exclusively European. Indo-European is most often used as a linguistic term for the common ancestor of every Romance, Germanic, Slavic and Sanskrit language. So to say you identify with Indo-European culture is to say you identify with every culture who speaks that language group. That includes certain languages in India, a culture that I doubt you as a White would have any identification with.

 

[cookiecutter]

Thanks Professor.

Clearly though North American culture is very far removed from European culture. Just look at the "Real" football thread

 

[Zephyrus]

Compare White American culture to European culture, and then compare White American culture to any Non-Western culture and you'll see that differences between the US and Europe are trivial.

 

[The Butt]

Frankly, I'm not a fan at all. I'm sure there's some good obscure/older rap out there, but I really don't feel the need to check it out, I'm fine listening to my metal.

Also, I have a burning hatred for all the mainstream garbage that's played on the radio, it's just so fucking stupid. I have to put up with it daily, so that doesn't help either.