Next Opeth Album
- Thread starter Alteredmindeath
- Start date
should there be new instruments added to the next Opeth album like violins, horns, harps, banjo, timpani drums, panflute, etc....?
I say this because one thing I like about Watershed is the Oboe, it has a sad sorrowful sound that complimented the guitar parts nicely, and added to the gloomy atmosphere of Watershed.
I say this because one thing I like about Watershed is the Oboe, it has a sad sorrowful sound that complimented the guitar parts nicely, and added to the gloomy atmosphere of Watershed.
Alex78
Fretbuzz Virtuoso
I agree with you there.
BWP was the last album I found really overwhelming. Each song had something totally unique: the solos of Leper Affinity, the chorus in Bleak, the epicness and climax of Drapery Falls, the depressive beauty(?) of Dirge, the drive and the solos of Funeral Portrait and finally the brutality of Blackwater Park (especially the last 3 minutes, omg).
GR and WS, on the other hand, are damn good albums, but I justdon't get that genius feel from them.
Iki-ilkkuja
Member
I can't agree on this one. I find the latest two albums a lot more interesting (alongside SL) than Blackwater Park. I'm not saying it wouldn't have been an overwhelming experience when I first heard it, but in retrospect some of the riffing is a bit too repetitive and the songs are relatively simple, even boring (Bleak, The Funeral Portrait). The music has more interesting elements nowadays.
Nasty-Fire
Discursion
Annihilat0r
TRINITY WATCH IN AMAZING!
Alex78
Fretbuzz Virtuoso
EDIT: I realize my post was slightly pointless, have a look at carta's quote and you will see!
Annihilat0r
TRINITY WATCH IN AMAZING!
^listen again
Well I can play Leper Affinity in full and there's nothing unique about its solos. All standard Opeth licks.
yeah the leper affinity is an awesome song. but i can also play the whole thing, and i dont fin dit particularly unique, its a very good representation of opeth. its full of usual chord progressions, couple of cool licks, solo, epic bit, soft bit, repeats riffs from the beginning, then an ending. pretty much your standard opeth song in terms of construction
Nasty-Fire
Discursion
I find just as much uniqueness in Watershed and Ghost Reveries songs as in Blackwater Park songs (though I will admit that GR and then WS rank slightly under BWP and SL for me)
Some examples..
Baying of the Hounds and The Lotus Eater come out right off the bat with really fast and high quality vocals
Harlequin Forest (in addition to my absolute favorite growling bits) along with The Lotus Eater put clean vocals over distortion guitars in ways other albums never did
Heir Apparent and The Grand Conjuration aren't quite the same quality imo but have the same really heavy feel of songs off BWP and D1
Beneath the Mire has great solo'ing (though I think The Leper Affinity's is my personal fav)
The riffs after Hessian Peel's solo remind me of some fast single-note-centered riffs like on Master's Apprentices and Serenity Painted Death
Ghost of Perdition covers so many individual styles in one song that its like something off their first 2 albums but with better production and transitioning (and of course the deeper growls).
And Coil and Isolation Years and Hours of Wealth...just beautiful
So, ya, as you can see, I love their older stuff, but imo there's plenty unique moments in the newer stuff.
Some examples..
Baying of the Hounds and The Lotus Eater come out right off the bat with really fast and high quality vocals
Harlequin Forest (in addition to my absolute favorite growling bits) along with The Lotus Eater put clean vocals over distortion guitars in ways other albums never did
Heir Apparent and The Grand Conjuration aren't quite the same quality imo but have the same really heavy feel of songs off BWP and D1
Beneath the Mire has great solo'ing (though I think The Leper Affinity's is my personal fav)
The riffs after Hessian Peel's solo remind me of some fast single-note-centered riffs like on Master's Apprentices and Serenity Painted Death
Ghost of Perdition covers so many individual styles in one song that its like something off their first 2 albums but with better production and transitioning (and of course the deeper growls).
And Coil and Isolation Years and Hours of Wealth...just beautiful
So, ya, as you can see, I love their older stuff, but imo there's plenty unique moments in the newer stuff.
grey knight
Etheraven
Not sure if offtopic but...
I think they've been musically "degenerating" all the way since Orchid, if you notice, Every album is more and more simple, It took about 10 listens to get to Orchid, about 2-5 to get to Morningrise, not sure about MAYH I just got it, SL took about 4 listens, BWP took like 3, Deliverance took 1-2 (I don't count Damnation now, it's not a prog album), GR then did took about 3-6 listens but it's because it was my first opeth album.
It doesn't sound THAT bad, except that Watershed was instant hit with the first listen.
I hope that in the future they again keep on making more +10min songs instead of more short songs like in Watershed.
I think they've been musically "degenerating" all the way since Orchid, if you notice, Every album is more and more simple, It took about 10 listens to get to Orchid, about 2-5 to get to Morningrise, not sure about MAYH I just got it, SL took about 4 listens, BWP took like 3, Deliverance took 1-2 (I don't count Damnation now, it's not a prog album), GR then did took about 3-6 listens but it's because it was my first opeth album.
It doesn't sound THAT bad, except that Watershed was instant hit with the first listen.
I hope that in the future they again keep on making more +10min songs instead of more short songs like in Watershed.
Hedon-
vic firth 2b
- Apr 24, 2008
- 1,684
- 0
- 36
i dont want to get into an arguement but this is the most retarded post ive seen in a very long time
grey knight
Etheraven
Thank you, whateverway I am a noob anyway.
(Though I'm one of those people who think that Orchid is their best album, musically.)
Edit: actually, I'm wearing orchid longsleeve atm.
Nasty-Fire
Discursion
Black Session
Heretic Misanthrope
hmm, with listening to Watershed I actually started missing some extra subtleties and complexities in older albums ...
Their composing capabilities have become stronger on every album. They write much more coherent songs now. You mistake randomness and collage of riffs with composition.
I love the first 2 albums as well, and I understand completely what people mean when they say those had much more atmosphere. But it's a huge mistake to act as if that was their creative peak and it went downhill, or that things became more accessible. That's simply because the compositions are much more coherent, which in turn is much more difficult to achieve.
If anything, we might say that the brilliance of Opeth on the first 2 albums was to cover up shortcomings in compositional skills by creating intense atmosphere and making it sound as if it's intended to be so "chaotic", as if it's a story being told.
This all makes it kind of pointless to compare different stages in Opeth's career. Watershed is as brilliant an album as the rest of them, all in their own way.
Savern
Dr. Death in training
First 2 albums are not more complex ... in any way at all really. Long does not mean complex. I love the first 2 albums, but Opeth have become soooo much more than that since then. BRI is pretty much my least favourite song - purely because it sounds like it was written to be long and is incredably incoherent; quite often on there's just a random drum fill into a completely new section. Thats not a problem really with albums since. - Mike's songwriting has matured massively.
mexicola
Member
Thank you, whateverway I am a noob anyway.
(Though I'm one of those people who think that Orchid is their best album, musically.)
Edit: actually, I'm wearing orchid longsleeve atm.
The first time I listened to Orchid I fell asleep. Same goes for Morningrise.
MAYH was the first album they did which I found any good.
Watershed might be their best.
Similar threads
