There's so much ignorance in this thread its funny.
So according in this forum, its not possible to like this "nu" metal, and the "real" metal. But what defines REAL metal, a band that doesnt get big or sell out, and must must MUST have at least 1 riff per song, lyrics that make fuck all sense at most of times, and ofcourse never forget must have the best drummer in the world.... Whats the point in that if it doesnt make fuck all sense? At least with Mudvayne they make what they are happy with, what they want to write, and most of the lyrics are some of the best I've read.
Numetal is defined through magazines who can't give a band a certain genre to fit into, and people here use that word like its the bible. You're just as bad as the magazines and mainstream you hate.