The "What Are You Doing This Moment" Thread
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TechnicalBarbarity
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You shouldn't comment on things that you evidently seem to know absolutely nothing about, so im not even going to bother. And the only thing laughable here was your assessment of the sport.
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I love MMA and most kickboxing(especially k-1), and have been a long time fan of both, but the sweet science will always be my first love.
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Also most boxers are above and beyond other combatants(that's including kickboxers) with their hands and footwork. Most kickboxers will probably end up getting knocked out within the first round or two if they're facing a legitimate boxer in a fight. I've watched a countless number of K-1 events where a boxer has came in, quickly closed the gap and stretched out the kickboxer ... and these are guys who barely have backgrounds in any other combat sport, that's if they do at all. Only chance most kickboxers have against a legit boxer is trying to kick his outer leg to death hoping that he doesn't find his distance. I can appreciate the Dutch/western style of kicboxing(k-1) a little more because they have embedded(or at least tried to) boxing into their sport. Which is one of the main reasons that dutch style kickboxers have much, MUCH better hands, timing and footwork than other kickboxers.
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Football is pretty strategic tho.. i'd say more so than boxing. Coordinating multiple dudes on offense defense and special teams like that.
TechnicalBarbarity
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Football isn't even the most strategic team sport. That one goes to baseball. And we had this exact same conversation a few weeks ago in this thread.
And no team sport requires more strategy than stepping into ring to face another man, just you and him. And contrary to what most people believe( or want to believe) .. it's boxing, not a bar room brawl where two drunks are just flailing their arms at one another. These are professionals that are basically playing chess with each other. At the top of the food chain, you don't have ANY room for mistakes ... ANY. Every single move has to be perfectly calculated. There is a reason it's called the sweet science.
Finding out a way to beat Mayweather requires much, MUCH more strategy than figuring out how to beat the patriots or packers bro.
I bet buttface thinks boxing is basically human Rock Em Sock Em robots. What a fucking tard.
And no team sport requires more strategy than stepping into ring to face another man, just you and him. And contrary to what most people believe( or want to believe) .. it's boxing, not a bar room brawl where two drunks are just flailing their arms at one another. These are professionals that are basically playing chess with each other. At the top of the food chain, you don't have ANY room for mistakes ... ANY. Every single move has to be perfectly calculated. There is a reason it's called the sweet science.
Finding out a way to beat Mayweather requires much, MUCH more strategy than figuring out how to beat the patriots or packers bro.
I bet buttface thinks boxing is basically human Rock Em Sock Em robots.
What a fucking tard.
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hah! touche!
but seriously, it still amazes me to this day that chess is considered a sport.
but seriously, it still amazes me to this day that chess is considered a sport.
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i've played chess at tournament level since i was about 8 years old and even i don't really consider it a sport. i do love it though.
haha yeah. it's not the worst robbery i've ever seen but it's pretty strange, especially given that if anything judges tend to be biased *against* defensive boxers (see, for example, pernell whitaker vs. jose luis ramirez I). in fairness to floyd, he was supposedly nursing a hand injury and he pretty much schooled him in the rematch, but the boxing landscape over the past 5 years would've been super different if he'd lost his unbeaten record that early on.
haha yeah. it's not the worst robbery i've ever seen but it's pretty strange, especially given that if anything judges tend to be biased *against* defensive boxers (see, for example, pernell whitaker vs. jose luis ramirez I). in fairness to floyd, he was supposedly nursing a hand injury and he pretty much schooled him in the rematch, but the boxing landscape over the past 5 years would've been super different if he'd lost his unbeaten record that early on.
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Football isn't even the most strategic team sport. That one goes to baseball. And we had this exact same conversation a few weeks ago in this thread.
And no team sport requires more strategy than stepping into ring to face another man, just you and him. And contrary to what most people believe( or want to believe) .. it's boxing, not a bar room brawl where two drunks are just flailing their arms at one another. These are professionals that are basically playing chess with each other. At the top of the food chain, you don't have ANY room for mistakes ... ANY. Every single move has to be perfectly calculated. There is a reason it's called the sweet science.
Finding out a way to beat Mayweather requires much, MUCH more strategy than figuring out how to beat the patriots or packers bro.
I bet buttface thinks boxing is basically human Rock Em Sock Em robots.
I feel like your long-time love of the 'sweet science' might be clouding your viewpoint with a hefty degree of bias here. Is boxing a LOT more strategic than the average punter gives it credit for? Certainly. Is it 'thee most strategic sport in the world'? Certainly not. It isn't even the most strategic combat sport.
At the end of the day, the level of strategy required at the top levels of MMA trump that of the top levels of boxing by a fairly considerable margin. A lot of thought goes into positioning and technique in both, but there are just a lot more outcomes to plan for or against in MMA.
As for comparing the level of strategy required in boxing with that required in team sports, I have no idea how you can even begin to compare the two.
Krow
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Man the few times I've watched kickboxing it's been entertaining as fuck. If boxing is so goddamn strategic, the threat of also getting kicked in the fucking face must up the ante quite a bit.
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rms
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That decision reminds me of Pacq & Bradley a few years ago. I think that's who it was, terrible decision. Internet exploded
TechnicalBarbarity
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Very simple, one requires only YOU drawing up a game-plan, making decisions ... only YOU. The other is a group sport where others make most of the planning and decisions for you. Combat sports in general are much more strategic than team sports. And at the top levels, you do not have room for any mistakes(especially in boxing). So you better have a damn good strategy, because you're not going to be able to rely on your coaches and teammates here, just you and the guy in front of you ... and every inch of movement matters. EVERY FUCKING INCH.
No they dont, like i said i'v been watching MMA since the birth of no hold barred and have only seen a handful of fighters that have the footwork, timing, cardio, hands etc of a boxer. Footwork and timing are the two most important aspects of combat sports, and NO other sport even comes close to boxing on those areas. The depth of the strategy in just those areas of boxing is so deep that it would take me pages to try and explain to people who don't understand such things. The simplest way would be to say that every inch of movement matters and has to be planned. It is the hardest combat sport to master, and most MMA fighters will probably tell you the same thing, and have stated it numerous times in interviews and such. That's why you barely see any MMA fighters with proper boxing skills, and the ones that you do see usually end up being champions.
Do you think beating one of the ufc titleholders is going to require more strategy than beating Mayweather or the Klitchkos?
cmon sweety, don't lie to yourself.Lol, punching and kicking are not the only two aspects of boxing/kickboxing, bro.
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yeah, that one was pretty dubious, although i know a couple of knowledgable folks who thought that fight was at least fairly close. fortunately, like floyd, pac got to avenge it in a rematch. a lot of fighters who suffer bullshit decisions aren't as lucky. there's a guy called mauricio herrera who's been screwed twice in his last 3 fights by awful decisions (vs. garcia and benavidez). there's also a dude called ray beltran who seems to have been screwed about half a dozen times for some reason. some fighters are just unlucky, others don't have a judge-friendly style i guess, for whatever reason.
i do feel sorry for judges sometimes because judging fights is tricky and everyone has a bad day now and again - i know i've changed my mind in the past after rewatching fights days after they originally aired. but some decisions are completely ludicrous to the point where severe retardation or corruption must be involved. it's a shame because these things can really derail a guy's career.
