The "What Are You Doing This Moment" Thread

[CiG]

If your goal is actually to convince Deron to do things differently, then you should contact him privately instead of posting a bunch of assumptions about his thought process and calling people names. That just seems more rational to me.

I prefer to do things openly and I'm not calling people names anymore than anybody else has. Interesting that you post this here rather than message me on Facebook like you usually would, perhaps take your own advice and try to convince me privately rather than save genuine discussion for private messages and opportunistic public condemnation for the GMD.

 

[Omni]

We've already discussed this privately and agreed that we both feel differently about the issue because I feel that Deron can do what he wants on his own website.

I'm not trying to convince you to do anything. Your methods in this topic are still presumptuous and unlikely to actually make a good case for what you're advocating. Most people won't listen to someone who has already decided in advance to assume things about them and share them publicly.

 

[Omni]

I'm also going to piggyback off of what has been mentioned by others here and say that you haven't been here long enough to have a historical context of the fact that Deron did used to enforce things more strictly and that this is more of a return to what he did previously than something that is actually new and worth being alarmed by. He has almost closed this entire section on more than one occasion due to such issues.

 

[CiG]

What have I assumed about people that is irrationally arrived at here? Meanwhile FD is assuming that the new guy is a Nazi who masturbates over Mein Kampf and both you and she have assumed a whole shitload of things about Deron like that maybe he banned the f-word because he just doesn't like it. Well, what other words doesn't he like enough to ban? Or is that me assuming too much?

You're being two-faced.

If your goal is actually to convince Deron to do things differently, then you should contact him privately instead of posting a bunch of assumptions about his thought process and calling people names. That just seems more rational to me.

I'm not trying to convince you to do anything.

lol.

We've already discussed this privately and agreed that we both feel differently about the issue because I feel that Deron can do what he wants on his own website.

I haven't said anything to the contrary, again you're opportunistically doing this publicly for some weird reason. I never once said that Deron can't do what he wants with his own site.

I'm also going to piggyback off of what has been mentioned by others here and say that you haven't been here long enough to have a historical context of the fact that Deron did used to enforce things more strictly and that this is more of a return to what he did previously than something that is actually new and worth being alarmed by.

So because it's a return to more censorious times, I shouldn't be alarmed? That makes no sense at all.

 

[Dak]

God. I leave for 1 evening and the forum turns into a Lord of the Flies reenactment.

 

[Omni]

So because it's a return to more censorious times, I shouldn't be alarmed? That makes no sense at all.

The fact that you're alarmed at all by the idea of a privately run heavy metal website having rules means that we're not going to agree on anything.

 

[CiG]

The fact that you're alarmed at all by the idea of a privately run heavy metal website having rules means that we're not going to agree on anything.

Well alarmed was your word in fairness, I'm not alarmed I'm just irritated. But the fact that you're such a sycophant that you think criticising the way the owner of a privately run website does things is something in the realm of the unreasonable means that we won't agree on anything.

Edit: the hypocrisy is that the report function serves the same exact purpose as what I am doing right now, it criticises the owner for not deleting any post featuring the word and in that way makes a suggestion for the owner to do something. I however cannot report the owner.

 

[Omni]

I've criticized Deron plenty of times for plenty of reasons. I don't really care about this particular thing one way or the other.

What exactly makes me a sycophant? Is it the fact that I criticized you for using hypotheses and assumptions about Deron's thinking processes as the core of your argument?

 

[The Ozzman]

 

[CiG]

I've criticized Deron plenty of times for plenty of reasons. I don't really care about this particular thing one way or the other.

What exactly makes me a sycophant? Is it the fact that I criticized you for using hypotheses and assumptions about Deron's thinking processes as the core of your argument?

The core of my argument is that the list of banned words is on an expansive trend. How does that fall into anything you've just said?

Also, to calling people names, Deron actually started it by calling certain people babies and as an aside, the report function is the literal definition of suggesting the owner of the website do something he may or may not want to do.

Edit: what makes you a sycophant? Well one example would be that you admit you don't care about this particular subject yet here you are defending the single person in the position of power on this website as if you do.

 

[Satanstoenail]

2 words in 17 years. This slippery slope sure does chafe.

 

[MetalAges]

It is indeed an interesting conversation, and I am always perplexed at the social aspect of people who treat the Internet different than they would in real life. Not different necessarily, than if you were with a bunch of friends in a private setting, but in general as in out in public, a workplace, at a concert with tons of people you do not know, shopping, sitting at a table in a restaurant - I just don't see you all using these words as part of your normal vocabulary in general conversation (in a public setting).

But in the very end, for me, if you really step back and think about the accepted definition of the words - the N word is a derogatory word for an African American. The F word is a derogatory word for a gay male. Their core meaning is hateful, bullying, and meant to cause the most verbal harm if you're black and/or a gay male.

We have black and gay people here. I detest bullies. I detest people who use words like that as a weapon. I detest people being hateful to others for the sake of being hateful (especially on the Internet). It's really nothing to do with censorship from my end, but more about not allowing words like that that I am sure people on this very board have encountered in real life settings, and they were meant as a form of ultra hatred. I am all about common courtesy and just being a decent human being to others.

Am I saying that every time those words are used here it's hateful? Absolutely not, probably 80-85% of the time it is in jest. But, this is a community, it's a community of regulars, as well as potential new users.

I've been blackmailed (yes) by users, threatened with lawsuits, harm, server attacked - you name it. All because people didn't get their way for very minimal rules that exist. And as for me, I have thick skin. You can call me a lot of things (and many MANY of you have) and look, you're still here. I get that as admin I am going to get shit on. Comes with the territory. You can Zuck me, call me an asshole, mutherfucker, pussy - all silly but whatever. All I know is I've paid for this site to exist for 14 years, mostly out of pocket, never begged for money from anyone - and really do not ask for much at all.

 

[CiG]

2 words in 17 years. This slippery slope sure does chafe.

And when the 3rd word is banned you'll say something similar I'm sure.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i feel like ants get a bad rep around here, not sure why everyone's suddenly so sick of them

 

[MetalAges]

The core of my argument is that the list of banned words is on an expansive trend. How does that fall into anything you've just said?

Also, to calling people names, Deron actually started it by calling certain people babies and as an aside, the report function is the literal definition of suggesting the owner of the website do something he may or may not want to do.

2 words (maybe a couple more variations, not sure).

And report is a way to bring attention - many here will attest to my response 90% of the time, which is, "Put them on ignore". 99% of the time, they do not, afraid to miss something.

[edit]I lied - 3 words - the other is m e a t s p i n . c o m - lol (I clicked a link from here while at work once - not fun!)

 

[no country for old wainds]

i'd like to petition for the phrase coonygook mcgollywog to be removed from the banlist.

 

[CiG]

And report is a way to bring attention

If I report a post because it offends me, it is a suggestion that you; delete the post, shadow-ban the word causing offense, warn the user or ban the user. It is a suggestion by definition and that you don't always act on reports further proves that.

2 words (maybe a couple more variations, not sure).

Indeed and what will be the next word? My bet is on "cunt" because it could be construed as a sexist slur. The feeling of being bullied is extremely subjective, I've been called racial slurs on this very site, have you ever once gotten a single report from me, besides the time I reported TechBarb for post spoilers on a TV show I watch?

 

[Funerary_Doom]

I don't take many (if any) things personally, I think what happens is that people take what I say personally because I tend to have no filter and come across as an asshole. Anyways it's irrelevant imo.

You called me emotional a few pages ago, but I remember when this topic first came up you and a few others stated you would leave. I don't see how that's NOT taking it personal.

Though I wouldn't personally ban that word (interesting that "nigga" isn't banned though from what I can tell) but I didn't make an issue over it because it was already banned when I joined, so why bother. But now that this new word is banned I think it's just revealing a pattern that will potentially expand and it all depends on something as arbitrary as how many people can get butthurt at one time enough to mass-report and spur Deron into action, I think that's fucking ridiculous.

I guess, I just don't care enough to even be worried about this. The way the board is, where the majority of the users have been here for more than a decade, I doubt it'll change drastically.

If that were the case, he could have stated that from the start. But instead his justification for the bans have been entirely down to reports. Could be so, but to use that as the justification at this point would be very opportunistic imo.

Idk him. Can't speak on this.

What do you mean? I'm not trying to pass an American constitutional-style law on his website, I'm arguing for freedom of speech as a principle. I think it would be best to err on the side of a total free use of words and people who get offended by words can use their own speech to debate it or just use the block function.


There is or isn't freedom of speech on a privately owned message board depending on what the owner wants to do. Are you saying I shouldn't at least be allowed to try to sway his opinion on how to run things? Are you really that much of a God damn sycophant dude?

Again, I've never even spoken a word to or about Deron before today. So how would I be a sycophant? You've done that more here, than I've ever done. I'm just seeing what's right. I know you think I care about the N word but I don't. The people who used it here are either extremely crazy or like have other issues that's beyond racism. And tbh, this isn't the first time this conversation has come up and if I already know how you and a few others feel about censored words, then he knows too. It's two words. One of which is already in the coding. Opinions were expressed before, and decisions were already made. Not being able to use a word on a privately owned forum isn't a dealbreaker for me. I come here for music, movies and the occasional discussion. Nudes still posted, stories of buttholes from all over the world are still shared, and all the other charming HBB stories are still shared. It's not a huge deal at all.

Okay? So some shitty quality conversations can exist, I really don't see how that's a threat to anything or anybody.

Are you kidding? Last page you were just complaining about these users. People do complain about the boards being shitted up ALL THE TIME.

Yeah I'm probably left of Deron, again so what? I don't see how any of this is relevant.

It's relevant because I'm trying to prove to you a decision to not have two words used isn't some leftist takeover of safe spaces.This board is attached to a name - an actual person.

 

[MetalAges]

I seem to remember Deron indicating that he's lost advertising revenue from people saying the N word and that's probably why he asked for it to stop initially

It was more about people posting porn pics. To a degree a lot of the various forms of language as well - of which there is no way I could clean up.

 

[CiG]

It is indeed an interesting conversation, and I am always perplexed at the social aspect of people who treat the Internet different than they would in real life. Not different necessarily, than if you were with a bunch of friends in a private setting, but in general as in out in public, a workplace, at a concert with tons of people you do not know, shopping, sitting at a table in a restaurant - I just don't see you all using these words as part of your normal vocabulary in general conversation (in a public setting).

I'm not perplexed at all, most people who use forums don't use their real names or real photos of themselves etc. Anonymity is a great thing imo.

But in the very end, for me, if you really step back and think about the accepted definition of the words - the N word is a derogatory word for an African American. The F word is a derogatory word for a gay male. Their core meaning is hateful, bullying, and meant to cause the most verbal harm if you're black and/or a gay male.

ALL insults are hateful and bullying at their core so all you've done here is make the case that all hateful and bullying words should be censored. That you only censor two specific words only speaks to a favouritism of hurt feelings. Why not just ban all hateful words? My thinking essentially is that you might ban other hurtful words, granted there is enough offense on the part of users behind it.

You called me emotional a few pages ago, but I remember when this topic first came up you and a few others stated you would leave. I don't see how that's NOT taking it personal.

I don't think censorship impacts only me, so it's not personal to me, I'd simply leave on principle rather than stay around and be subject to word bans. I recall calling your reaction to the thread as reactionary and emotional, sure. I still think it was, it was pretty evident in the language you used which was riddled with moral condemnation.

I guess, I just don't care enough to even be worried about this. The way the board is, where the majority of the users have been here for more than a decade, I doubt it'll change drastically.

Fair enough. I can only judge the forum based on my own experiences.

Again, I've never even spoken a word to or about Deron before today. So how would I be a sycophant? You've done that more here, than I've ever done. I'm just seeing what's right. I know you think I care about the N word but I don't. The people who used it here are either extremely crazy or like have other issues that's beyond racism. And tbh, this isn't the first time this conversation has come up and if I already know how you and a few others feel about censored words, then he knows too. It's two words. One of which is already in the coding. Opinions were expressed before, and decisions were already made. Not being able to use a word on a privately owned forum isn't a dealbreaker for me. I come here for music, movies and the occasional discussion. Nudes still posted, stories of buttholes from all over the world are still shared, and all the other charming HBB stories are still shared. It's not a huge deal at all.

You weren't even in my mind as a person who is reeling over the use of bad words until now. I don't even want to point the finger at specific users because it's their right to report and it's Deron's right to manage his site how he sees fit, I'm simply criticisng and opposing the choices people have made.

It's some kind of deal to me, not to you perhaps but we aren't the same person. I called you and others sycophants because you're going so far out of your way to defend Deron's actions against a tiny minority of relatively powerless people who disagree with his actions.

Edit: in some cases while at the same time claiming not to even care about the subject.

It's relevant because I'm trying to prove to you a decision to not have two words used isn't some leftist takeover of safe spaces.This board is attached to a name - an actual person.

That wasn't my assumption or implication though. The right have a much crazier history with censorship than the left does anyway...