The "What Are You Doing This Moment" Thread

[Master_Yoda77]

Chess is the most strategic sport.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

hah! touche!

but seriously, it still amazes me to this day that chess is considered a sport.

 

[Eligos]

Celebrating my return by listening to every single thing posted in the Metal 2015 thread. I will then do the same on the Metal 2014 thread. I might feel qualified to post about things afterward.

Currently spinning the new Leviathan and trying not to poop my pants.

MTG is the most strategic sport.

fix'd

 

[rms]

fights fights fights.

how did all 3 judges think Floyd beat Castillo 1 oh myyyy

 

[Master_Yoda77]

MTG ain't strategic, it's fucking expensive.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i've played chess at tournament level since i was about 8 years old and even i don't really consider it a sport. i do love it though.

how did all 3 judges think Floyd beat Castillo 1 oh myyyy

haha yeah. it's not the worst robbery i've ever seen but it's pretty strange, especially given that if anything judges tend to be biased *against* defensive boxers (see, for example, pernell whitaker vs. jose luis ramirez I). in fairness to floyd, he was supposedly nursing a hand injury and he pretty much schooled him in the rematch, but the boxing landscape over the past 5 years would've been super different if he'd lost his unbeaten record that early on.

 

[Pagan Savior]

Football isn't even the most strategic team sport. That one goes to baseball. And we had this exact same conversation a few weeks ago in this thread.

And no team sport requires more strategy than stepping into ring to face another man, just you and him. And contrary to what most people believe( or want to believe) .. it's boxing, not a bar room brawl where two drunks are just flailing their arms at one another. These are professionals that are basically playing chess with each other. At the top of the food chain, you don't have ANY room for mistakes ... ANY. Every single move has to be perfectly calculated. There is a reason it's called the sweet science.

Finding out a way to beat Mayweather requires much, MUCH more strategy than figuring out how to beat the patriots or packers bro.

I bet buttface thinks boxing is basically human Rock Em Sock Em robots. What a fucking tard.

I feel like your long-time love of the 'sweet science' might be clouding your viewpoint with a hefty degree of bias here. Is boxing a LOT more strategic than the average punter gives it credit for? Certainly. Is it 'thee most strategic sport in the world'? Certainly not. It isn't even the most strategic combat sport.

At the end of the day, the level of strategy required at the top levels of MMA trump that of the top levels of boxing by a fairly considerable margin. A lot of thought goes into positioning and technique in both, but there are just a lot more outcomes to plan for or against in MMA.

As for comparing the level of strategy required in boxing with that required in team sports, I have no idea how you can even begin to compare the two.

 

[Krow]

Why watch boxing when you can watch kickboxing? K1 is where it's at. Nothing like adding some headkicks to the mixture.

Man the few times I've watched kickboxing it's been entertaining as fuck. If boxing is so goddamn strategic, the threat of also getting kicked in the fucking face must up the ante quite a bit.

 

[no country for old wainds]

idk if boxing is the most strategic sport but it's surely the most epic.

 

[rms]

i've played chess at tournament level since i was about 8 years old and even i don't really consider it a sport. i do love it though.



haha yeah. it's not the worst robbery i've ever seen but it's pretty strange, especially given that if anything judges tend to be biased *against* defensive boxers (see, for example, pernell whitaker vs. jose luis ramirez I). in fairness to floyd, he was supposedly nursing a hand injury and he pretty much schooled him in the rematch, but the boxing landscape over the past 5 years would've been super different if he'd lost his unbeaten record that early on.

That decision reminds me of Pacq & Bradley a few years ago. I think that's who it was, terrible decision. Internet exploded

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

As for comparing the level of strategy required in boxing with that required in team sports, I have no idea how you can even begin to compare the two.

Very simple, one requires only YOU drawing up a game-plan, making decisions ... only YOU. The other is a group sport where others make most of the planning and decisions for you. Combat sports in general are much more strategic than team sports. And at the top levels, you do not have room for any mistakes(especially in boxing). So you better have a damn good strategy, because you're not going to be able to rely on your coaches and teammates here, just you and the guy in front of you ... and every inch of movement matters. EVERY FUCKING INCH.

I feel like your long-time love of the 'sweet science' might be clouding your viewpoint with a hefty degree of bias here. Is boxing a LOT more strategic than the average punter gives it credit for? Certainly. Is it 'thee most strategic sport in the world'? Certainly not. It isn't even the most strategic combat sport.


At the end of the day, the level of strategy required at the top levels of MMA trump that of the top levels of boxing by a fairly considerable margin. A lot of thought goes into positioning and technique in both, but there are just a lot more outcomes to plan for or against in MMA.

No they dont, like i said i'v been watching MMA since the birth of no hold barred and have only seen a handful of fighters that have the footwork, timing, cardio, hands etc of a boxer. Footwork and timing are the two most important aspects of combat sports, and NO other sport even comes close to boxing on those areas. The depth of the strategy in just those areas of boxing is so deep that it would take me pages to try and explain to people who don't understand such things. The simplest way would be to say that every inch of movement matters and has to be planned. It is the hardest combat sport to master, and most MMA fighters will probably tell you the same thing, and have stated it numerous times in interviews and such. That's why you barely see any MMA fighters with proper boxing skills, and the ones that you do see usually end up being champions.

Do you think beating one of the ufc titleholders is going to require more strategy than beating Mayweather or the Klitchkos? cmon sweety, don't lie to yourself.

Man the few times I've watched kickboxing it's been entertaining as fuck. If boxing is so goddamn strategic, the threat of also getting kicked in the fucking face must up the ante quite a bit.

Lol, punching and kicking are not the only two aspects of boxing/kickboxing, bro.

 

[no country for old wainds]

That decision reminds me of Pacq & Bradley a few years ago. I think that's who it was, terrible decision. Internet exploded

yeah, that one was pretty dubious, although i know a couple of knowledgable folks who thought that fight was at least fairly close. fortunately, like floyd, pac got to avenge it in a rematch. a lot of fighters who suffer bullshit decisions aren't as lucky. there's a guy called mauricio herrera who's been screwed twice in his last 3 fights by awful decisions (vs. garcia and benavidez). there's also a dude called ray beltran who seems to have been screwed about half a dozen times for some reason. some fighters are just unlucky, others don't have a judge-friendly style i guess, for whatever reason.

i do feel sorry for judges sometimes because judging fights is tricky and everyone has a bad day now and again - i know i've changed my mind in the past after rewatching fights days after they originally aired. but some decisions are completely ludicrous to the point where severe retardation or corruption must be involved. it's a shame because these things can really derail a guy's career.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

boxer vs kickboxer/mixed martial artist ...

 

[Pagan Savior]

If you've been watching UFC since the no holds barred days then you will remember boxers being absolutely schooled in the early days by BJJ practitioners and wrestlers. Your point about footwork and timing being huge is well made, but I would also add that the most important thing in combat sports is avoiding finding yourself in a vulnerable situation. There are a lot more things you have to defend and watch out for in MMA, and a lot more ways you can lose - which makes things like timing and footwork and positioning all the more important. So while boxing may be more technical, basically I disagree hugely with your point that boxing is 'more strategic' than MMA.

 

[KafkaX]

Celebrating my return by listening to every single thing posted in the Metal 2015 thread. I will then do the same on the Metal 2014 thread. I might feel qualified to post about things afterward.

Good to see you coming back around dude.

How was your tax season?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

lol, i guess we "disagree" although you're completely wrong. But whatever. Timing, footwork, positioning etc are part of all combat sports, its just Boxers basically perfect those aspects of the fight game and are on a whole 'nother level when it comes to those things. If you're a MMA fan you wouldn't be arguing with me that footwork, positioning etc are just as important in mma. The mixed matial artists that best incorporate all those things we're talking about are ones that usually have a background in boxing. And when it comes to punches, most guys still don't even know how to throw proper cross, they just wing overhands. Most boxing coaches will take your gloves from you if you throw a punch like that in the gym.

Yea i remember, i actually have those on tape and DVD. Art Jimmerson, the one gloved washed up boxer ... lol. But you're talking about old washed up boxers stepping into the cage and trying something that they were completely unfamiliar to, just to earn a paycheck(although sometimes it backfired, old ass Mercer stretched out ex UFc HW champ Tim Sylvia with one punch, about 5 seconds into the fight after he sized up timmies first leg kick). Do you remember when those BJJ experts used to just blindly go for a take down and headbutt or stick their chins in the eyes of their opponents, use their Gi's to choke them out and even stomp out the other guys nuts with their fists? Are those the times you were referring to? Also, i hope you do know that the point of the first few UFC's was for the gracies to showcase BJJ. That's practically why Rorion Gracie and Art Davie started the promotion.

Also, there is no such thing as a "more technical" sport .. that doesn't even make any sense, since all sports have their own techniques. That's like saying basketball is more technical than football or some nonsense like that. And if ayhting, MMA fighters try to incorporate boxing into their skillset, so how would boxing be "more technical" than a sport that has more techniques than it? If you're trying to say boxers have far better technique when it comes to punching, footwork, positioning etc .. than yes i agree.

edit: Here's the link of Syliva vs Merecer incase anyone is interested. Pretty funny background story ... Mercer is a former WBO heavyweight champion, and was near 50 years old when Sylvia(former UFC heavyweight champ) agreed to box with him. Big Timmy also considered himself a boxing specialist. The day before the fight the organization screwed Mercer and switched it to kicboxing rules, which was not the deal him and Timmy had made. So during the weigh ins, Timmy and him made a gentlemens agreement before the fight that they would not use leg kicks or go for takedowns, so what does Timmy do? He comes out and throws a leg kick like a little bitch ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wb-eOej5Xzc

 

[SentinelSlain]

i've played chess at tournament level since i was about 8 years old and even i don't really consider it a sport. i do love it though.

This is a random question and you may not be amused by it, but what do you think of the Polgár family?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/László_Polgár

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

i've played chess at tournament level since i was about 8 years old and even i don't really consider it a sport. i do love it though.

I'LL SMASH YOU IN CHESS!

Yeah i love chess ... one of my favorite games of all time. As good as i am, i dont think i'd be able to last with any you tourney guys. I used to beat some of the guys in my HS chess club on a regular basis though. And i was baked as fuck about half the time. I used to trip those mofos out.

 

[Pagan Savior]

Happy to disagree, as I don't think either of us are backing down! I do feel like the things you are concentrating on are the more 'technical' aspects of the sport. It may well be correct that boxers are head and shoulders above other disciplines in terms of footwork, positioning, timing or whatever. However, that doesn't mean that boxing is more 'strategic'. Again I will point out that in MMA there is a far wider range of possible outcomes that you need to defend yourself against whilst at the same time trying to attack.

Yes the early UFC events are mostly hilarious, with a parade of overweight and over-the-hill guys, or horrible mismatches. One year I made it a new years resolution to go back and watch all the UFC's from UFC 1 onwards. I made it to about UFC 10 (whichever one saw the debut of Belfort) and then life got in the away and I put it on the back burner! I still plan on going back and carrying on someday...

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Hah, you remember when fat boy got his teeth kicked out by that french kickboxer? that shit was hilarious.

I was a huuuge PRIDEFC fan. Funny things was att i used to heavily favor UFC, but now i'd kill to have PRIDE back.