The Ozzman
Melted by feels
I seem to remember Deron indicating that he's lost advertising revenue from people saying the N word and that's probably why he asked for it to stop initially
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Funerary_Doom
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Anyways, my steam is gone. I'm too lazy to be picking apart quotes. You don't have to agree with me, but I don't think what I'm saying is far from the truth, unless someone can prove me wrong in a logical way.
Losing revenue or whatever way he phrased it, it wasn't anything new. I don't think Deron is a "SJW" as its called in these parts. From what I read, probably more moderate/conservative. So him saying to chill isn't coming from the place you think it's coming from.
Losing revenue or whatever way he phrased it, it wasn't anything new. I don't think Deron is a "SJW" as its called in these parts. From what I read, probably more moderate/conservative. So him saying to chill isn't coming from the place you think it's coming from.
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
I don't take many (if any) things personally, I think what happens is that people take what I say personally because I tend to have no filter and come across as an asshole. Anyways it's irrelevant imo.
Though I wouldn't personally ban that word (interesting that "nigga" isn't banned though from what I can tell) but I didn't make an issue over it because it was already banned when I joined, so why bother. But now that this new word is banned I think it's just revealing a pattern that will potentially expand and it all depends on something as arbitrary as how many people can get butthurt at one time enough to mass-report and spur Deron into action, I think that's fucking ridiculous.
If that were the case, he could have stated that from the start. But instead his justification for the bans have been entirely down to reports. Could be so, but to use that as the justification at this point would be very opportunistic imo.
What do you mean? I'm not trying to pass an American constitutional-style law on his website, I'm arguing for freedom of speech as a principle. I think it would be best to err on the side of a total free use of words and people who get offended by words can use their own speech to debate it or just use the block function.
There is or isn't freedom of speech on a privately owned message board depending on what the owner wants to do. Are you saying I shouldn't at least be allowed to try to sway his opinion on how to run things? Are you really that much of a God damn sycophant dude?
Okay? So some shitty quality conversations can exist, I really don't see how that's a threat to anything or anybody.
Yeah I'm probably left of Deron, again so what? I don't see how any of this is relevant.
If your goal is actually to convince Deron to do things differently, then you should contact him privately instead of posting a bunch of assumptions about his thought process and calling people names. That just seems more rational to me.
The Ozzman
Melted by feels
HBB is the funniest motherfucker in this entire cesspool. Why would you want him banned?
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
I prefer to do things openly and I'm not calling people names anymore than anybody else has. Interesting that you post this here rather than message me on Facebook like you usually would, perhaps take your own advice and try to convince me privately rather than save genuine discussion for private messages and opportunistic public condemnation for the GMD.
We've already discussed this privately and agreed that we both feel differently about the issue because I feel that Deron can do what he wants on his own website.
I'm not trying to convince you to do anything. Your methods in this topic are still presumptuous and unlikely to actually make a good case for what you're advocating. Most people won't listen to someone who has already decided in advance to assume things about them and share them publicly.
I'm not trying to convince you to do anything. Your methods in this topic are still presumptuous and unlikely to actually make a good case for what you're advocating. Most people won't listen to someone who has already decided in advance to assume things about them and share them publicly.
I'm also going to piggyback off of what has been mentioned by others here and say that you haven't been here long enough to have a historical context of the fact that Deron did used to enforce things more strictly and that this is more of a return to what he did previously than something that is actually new and worth being alarmed by. He has almost closed this entire section on more than one occasion due to such issues.
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
What have I assumed about people that is irrationally arrived at here? Meanwhile FD is assuming that the new guy is a Nazi who masturbates over Mein Kampf and both you and she have assumed a whole shitload of things about Deron like that maybe he banned the f-word because he just doesn't like it. Well, what other words doesn't he like enough to ban? Or is that me assuming too much?
You're being two-faced.
lol.
I haven't said anything to the contrary, again you're opportunistically doing this publicly for some weird reason. I never once said that Deron can't do what he wants with his own site.
So because it's a return to more censorious times, I shouldn't be alarmed? That makes no sense at all.
You're being two-faced.
lol.
I haven't said anything to the contrary, again you're opportunistically doing this publicly for some weird reason. I never once said that Deron can't do what he wants with his own site.
So because it's a return to more censorious times, I shouldn't be alarmed? That makes no sense at all.
Dak
mentat
God. I leave for 1 evening and the forum turns into a Lord of the Flies reenactment.
The fact that you're alarmed at all by the idea of a privately run heavy metal website having rules means that we're not going to agree on anything.
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
Well alarmed was your word in fairness, I'm not alarmed I'm just irritated. But the fact that you're such a sycophant that you think criticising the way the owner of a privately run website does things is something in the realm of the unreasonable means that we won't agree on anything.
Edit: the hypocrisy is that the report function serves the same exact purpose as what I am doing right now, it criticises the owner for not deleting any post featuring the word and in that way makes a suggestion for the owner to do something. I however cannot report the owner.
I've criticized Deron plenty of times for plenty of reasons. I don't really care about this particular thing one way or the other.
What exactly makes me a sycophant? Is it the fact that I criticized you for using hypotheses and assumptions about Deron's thinking processes as the core of your argument?
What exactly makes me a sycophant? Is it the fact that I criticized you for using hypotheses and assumptions about Deron's thinking processes as the core of your argument?
The Ozzman
Melted by feels
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
The core of my argument is that the list of banned words is on an expansive trend. How does that fall into anything you've just said?
Also, to calling people names, Deron actually started it by calling certain people babies and as an aside, the report function is the literal definition of suggesting the owner of the website do something he may or may not want to do.
Edit: what makes you a sycophant? Well one example would be that you admit you don't care about this particular subject yet here you are defending the single person in the position of power on this website as if you do.
Satanstoenail
My Larpstyle determines my Derpstyle
It is indeed an interesting conversation, and I am always perplexed at the social aspect of people who treat the Internet different than they would in real life. Not different necessarily, than if you were with a bunch of friends in a private setting, but in general as in out in public, a workplace, at a concert with tons of people you do not know, shopping, sitting at a table in a restaurant - I just don't see you all using these words as part of your normal vocabulary in general conversation (in a public setting).
But in the very end, for me, if you really step back and think about the accepted definition of the words - the N word is a derogatory word for an African American. The F word is a derogatory word for a gay male. Their core meaning is hateful, bullying, and meant to cause the most verbal harm if you're black and/or a gay male.
We have black and gay people here. I detest bullies. I detest people who use words like that as a weapon. I detest people being hateful to others for the sake of being hateful (especially on the Internet). It's really nothing to do with censorship from my end, but more about not allowing words like that that I am sure people on this very board have encountered in real life settings, and they were meant as a form of ultra hatred. I am all about common courtesy and just being a decent human being to others.
Am I saying that every time those words are used here it's hateful? Absolutely not, probably 80-85% of the time it is in jest. But, this is a community, it's a community of regulars, as well as potential new users.
I've been blackmailed (yes) by users, threatened with lawsuits, harm, server attacked - you name it. All because people didn't get their way for very minimal rules that exist. And as for me, I have thick skin. You can call me a lot of things (and many MANY of you have) and look, you're still here. I get that as admin I am going to get shit on. Comes with the territory. You can Zuck me, call me an asshole, mutherfucker, pussy - all silly but whatever. All I know is I've paid for this site to exist for 14 years, mostly out of pocket, never begged for money from anyone - and really do not ask for much at all.
But in the very end, for me, if you really step back and think about the accepted definition of the words - the N word is a derogatory word for an African American. The F word is a derogatory word for a gay male. Their core meaning is hateful, bullying, and meant to cause the most verbal harm if you're black and/or a gay male.
We have black and gay people here. I detest bullies. I detest people who use words like that as a weapon. I detest people being hateful to others for the sake of being hateful (especially on the Internet). It's really nothing to do with censorship from my end, but more about not allowing words like that that I am sure people on this very board have encountered in real life settings, and they were meant as a form of ultra hatred. I am all about common courtesy and just being a decent human being to others.
Am I saying that every time those words are used here it's hateful? Absolutely not, probably 80-85% of the time it is in jest. But, this is a community, it's a community of regulars, as well as potential new users.
I've been blackmailed (yes) by users, threatened with lawsuits, harm, server attacked - you name it. All because people didn't get their way for very minimal rules that exist. And as for me, I have thick skin. You can call me a lot of things (and many MANY of you have) and look, you're still here. I get that as admin I am going to get shit on. Comes with the territory. You can Zuck me, call me an asshole, mutherfucker, pussy - all silly but whatever. All I know is I've paid for this site to exist for 14 years, mostly out of pocket, never begged for money from anyone - and really do not ask for much at all.
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
And when the 3rd word is banned you'll say something similar I'm sure.
no country for old wainds
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i feel like ants get a bad rep around here, not sure why everyone's suddenly so sick of them
2 words (maybe a couple more variations, not sure).
And report is a way to bring attention - many here will attest to my response 90% of the time, which is, "Put them on ignore". 99% of the time, they do not, afraid to miss something.
[edit]I lied - 3 words - the other is m e a t s p i n . c o m - lol (I clicked a link from here while at work once - not fun!)
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